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**NeOmega** · January 2, 2004, 05:37

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I think that if someone nuked New York one of the first things we'd want to know is where they got the weapon. AFAIK the only real potential sources would be stolen weapons from Pakistan, or the ex-Soviet Union, or a weapon bought from North Korea.

You forgot one nation where the nukes could come from. America itself. John Mohammed? Ex-army. Timothy McVeigh? Ex-Army. I know at least one conservative ex-military type who wants a revolution.

Deny it if you wish, and I know security is incredibly strict in these facilities, but it is also a large beauracracy in many ways, especially when counting nuclear plants.

Anthrax? Welll a new theory says muslim fundamentalists, but evidence clearly points to a U.S. Army lab.

Pop-Psychology? Spurned military can be very, very dangerous. Wes Clark has gone from prasing Bush to hating him.

**Vince278** · January 2, 2004, 07:14

Originally posted by Agathon
Does anyone have an answer to this question?

Where is a terrorist going to get a nuclear weapon from?

Actually, North Korea has already threatened to do just that. We shall see about that.

**Vince278** · January 2, 2004, 07:16

One last moment thought: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Such things have happened before (even if only for a short while...).

**Agathon** · January 2, 2004, 07:18

Originally posted by Vince278

Actually, North Korea has already threatened to do just that. We shall see about that.

Where did they threaten to give one to OBL?

Anyway, you should know by now that most of what Kim Jong Il says is not to be taken at face value. All he wants from nukes is safety from US attack. It would be ridiculous for him to invite it by allowing his weapons to be used against the US.

Actually, Kim Jong Il did call GWB a "hooligan and a bastard" in an official state speech so he can't be all that bad.

**Tripledoc** · January 2, 2004, 07:27

Originally posted by NeOmega
I know at least one conservative ex-military type who wants a revolution.

What kind of society would he like to see put into place instead of the present one?

**Heresson** · January 2, 2004, 07:41

H. Even if they do not have the bomb, France will be happy to lend one or two.

**Kuciwalker** · January 2, 2004, 07:50

Originally posted by NeOmega

You forgot one nation where the nukes could come from. America itself. John Mohammed? Ex-army. Timothy McVeigh? Ex-Army. I know at least one conservative ex-military type who wants a revolution.

Deny it if you wish, and I know security is incredibly strict in these facilities, but it is also a large beauracracy in many ways, especially when counting nuclear plants.

Anthrax? Welll a new theory says muslim fundamentalists, but evidence clearly points to a U.S. Army lab.

Pop-Psychology? Spurned military can be very, very dangerous. Wes Clark has gone from prasing Bush to hating him.

The problem is, even if they could get through security, how would they get the bomb out of the silo? The thing is mounted in huge missile, and they can't just walk into the silo and pick up the warhead. I'm sure they couldn't get it off a carrier. Maybe an air force base, but still, I don't see a possibility their.

**Agathon** · January 2, 2004, 07:59

Hey, who lives in NY?

They can post all day and tell us when the bomb goes off.

**My Wife Hates CIV** · January 2, 2004, 10:55

nukes? even if a 9-11 attack happens again it's over for a few more countries. war on terror is just against Al-qaeda??? please. Iraq just happened to fit in nice to the 'time table' the US happens to have. Everyone dogs Bush for being Bush and than you all believe him when he says Iraq was about WMD. Please, Iraq was about getting a big fat powerful US present right smack in the middle of the middle east. Oh, and oil... probably.

Al-qaeda's high point was 9-11. The best they can do now is jump and down and make noise. and even that is a job for them. It appears bin baby can't even afford a VHS recorder. These 'tapes' of him spewing out some god crap are getting boring.

nukes... please. I'll say it again. The US could take on the world - and win. We took Iraq and up to this point have lost less than 500 men. I believe I said that would be the case more than a year ago right here on apolyton. where the folks now, who said that was way off???

oh, and 9-11... as good as it went down for Al-qaeda was a lot of luck. that second plane almost missed comming in so fast. although it would have made a mess somwhere in NYC had it missed the tower. My point? Dont expect another 9-11... or anything like it from Al-qaeda. Not anytime soon (years to come).

**Spiffor** · January 2, 2004, 11:12

Originally posted by Heresson
H. Even if they do not have the bomb, France will be happy to lend one or two.

Of course, we just love the idea of being nuked!

Like everybody else btw.

No secular country wan possibly give nukes to Al Qaeda, because they are too unpredicatble, and simply because the secular country doesn't want to be nuked by the US (having one's nuke shipped by a missile or by a terrorist is the same: it's the declaration of a nuclear war).
The chances that Pakistan or Korea give their nukes willingly to Al Qaeda are about as high as a nuclear aggression from the USSR was. (and no, the fact that you Yanks were paranoid about it doesn't make the threat any true)

The only country that would be willing to declare a nuclear war would be one led by religious extremists, placing their delirium higher than the survival of their people. Such situation could arise if the moderates lose in Iran, if the islamists overthrow Musharraf, or if Israel is taken by a religious frenzy (fortunately it won't happen anytime soon).

**pchang** · January 2, 2004, 11:15

Originally posted by Spiffor

Of course, we just love the idea of being nuked!

Like everybody else btw.

No secular country wan possibly give nukes to Al Qaeda, because they are too unpredicatble, and simply because the secular country doesn't want to be nuked by the US (having one's nuke shipped by a missile or by a terrorist is the same: it's the declaration of a nuclear war).
The chances that Pakistan or Korea give their nukes willingly to Al Qaeda are about as high as a nuclear aggression from the USSR was. (and no, the fact that you Yanks were paranoid about it doesn't make the threat any true)

The only country that would be willing to declare a nuclear war would be one led by religious extremists, placing their delirium higher than the survival of their people. Such situation could arise if the moderates lose in Iran, if the islamists overthrow Musharraf, or if Israel is taken by a religious frenzy (fortunately it won't happen anytime soon).

Islamists overthrowing Musharraf or Islamists within the Pakistan military stealing a nuke are well within the realm of possibility. Musharraf's hold on Pakistan is tenous.

**Heresson** · January 2, 2004, 11:15

You know, I just recalled a poll according to which a third of the French wished Saddam would win the recent war...

**Spiffor** · January 2, 2004, 11:19

Originally posted by pchang
Islamists overthrowing Musharraf or Islamists within the Pakistan military stealing a nuke are well within the realm of possibility. Musharraf's hold on Pakistan is tenous.

Yes. I only held the religious frenzy in Israel for near-impossible in the near future.

**Spiffor** · January 2, 2004, 11:20

Originally posted by Heresson
You know, I just recalled a poll according to which a third of the French wished Saddam would win the recent war...

... and this soooooo obviously means Chirac will nuke the US

**Heresson** · January 2, 2004, 11:24

Knowing Chirac, I wouldn't be so suprised. :P
Chirac is one of the most childish, arrogant, and ruthless world leaders.

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