Is this for real?

[Colonâ„¢]

It's not my tendency to set off a riot about a hoax, but do would like to know if this movie is fake or not.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5365.htm

[Eli]

If it was real we would've heard about it. A lot. Everywhere.

[Az]

the part with the dude talking, I don't think that it has something to do with the first passage. I think he's talking about the adrenaline of battle, generally.

[Verto]

I'm going to go with Eli on this; if this was true, it would've been all over the place.

[Ted Striker]

This looks like 3 different clips all pasted together.

The narrator also sounds like she's an imitator.

I'd say it's a fake. Do we have any video experts here?

[Ted Striker]

Dear Sir,

Finding a link to your page
(http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5365.htm) on a military and history board I frequently visit, I was (once
again) shocked by the savageness the US forces show in Iraq.

To introduce myself, I am a German student of history and English, I have
served in the German Forces and, as every patriot, I am proud of my country.

For me the United States always were a nation of great people. People who do
not hesitate to stand up for anything they believe in. Unfortunately however
it seems that certain lessons were not learned by your goverment. Especially
to mention the lession of deescalation and correct behaviour in an occupied
country. The fact that men like Capt. James Kimber and CWO2 Bryan M Simon
state your website and the presenting of the video as "devious" or "outraging"
simply shows that they do not know the most basic rules of the "Haager
Landkriegsordnung" (laws of landwarfare, constituted at the beginning of the 20th
century) and the Conventions of Geneve. I am not aware how US recruits are
schooled in terms of international law, but I would expect them to meat German
standards at least. Every German soldier, before even holding a rifle for the
first time is schooled in international law, law of war and war ethics. As the
US forces tend to be more likely involved in off country operations I would
consider it irresponsible to send young boys unschooled into war.

I am well aware that US soldiers receive less cultural education about the
countries they enter, a fact leading to deviant behaviour in the eyes of many
Iraqis, but yet the problem of the US forces in Iraq is not behaviong
deviant, but simply contraproductive. If the USA would have learned as much from
German Worldwar II experiences as they took our scientists, they could have won
Vietnam (or propably would not have entered it at all), but surely they would
not pay such a high bloodtoll in Iraq.

Entering hostile territory is never easy, but keeping occupied territory
quiet is even a harder task to manage. Looking back on German expierences the
USA should have learned the following:
# You cannot win a partisan/guerilla war.
# Everytime your forces are ambushed and you do punishment raids, the
guerillas will do punishment raids as well. But they will be more succesful than
you.
# Fighting guerillas is fighting people who got nothing to loose and are
willing to die for their cause, so killing them is like saying: Yes you are
right.
We experienced this on the Balkan, in Greece, Italy and of course Russia.

I do not know if these marines showen in the video were attacked in the
first place, but as you stated it was not an appropriate response to kill the
man. After all he was lying on the ground, visibly unable to act and seizing to
be a threat. Law imperates to help this man. I fully agree with 1SG Perry D.
Jefferies and am not able too add anything in this matter.

For the future I wish the very best for our Allies the United States of
America. Though I fear a political confrontation coming up between the EU and the
USA I still have hopes for a century as bright as the past. I hope Mr Bush
will loose next years election and wish you all the best, Merry Christmas and
Happy New Year. May their be peace in these strange times.

OG d. R. Christian U. Wohlthat

Einigkeit, Recht, Freiheit

dork

[Az]

STFU TED!

USA USA USA USA

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Azazel
USA USA USA

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
This looks like 3 different clips all pasted together.

The narrator also sounds like she's an imitator.

I'd say it's a fake. Do we have any video experts here?

That's sort of what I'm wondering as well. Is the CNN icon and the ticker attacked to the first part of the shooting real? Does the comment really belong to the first part of the shooting or has it been pasted onto it?
I can't hear any sound either, is that just coincidence?

Has anyone ever seen any of the original footage?

[Ted Striker]

That "cheering" part is the biggest giveaway.

I hear about 3 guys cheering.

Then the shot pans over and I see 1 guy who is on his gun and doesn't look like he's cheering to me.

[Ted Striker]

Listen to the voice inflections of the narrator, and the emotional undertones when she speaks.

"ANOTHER Iraqi WRITHES on the ground."

[Ted Striker]

FAKE

[Az]

dude, he's still shooting some twiching Iraqi. cheering is hardly the problem.

[Tripledoc]

First impression.

It shows an unarmed man in clear distress being shot, trazer fire is clearly visible, then it zooms back to an American soldier. It is not clear that the shots were fired from an American position, but who would have been firing then? The soundtrack could have been added later. Nor is there any clear relevance between the incident and the interview.

[Ted Striker]

dude, he's still shooting some twiching Iraqi. cheering is hardly the problem

Can you say that for sure?


NO

Did you see who shot him? No

All I see is:

1) A clip of an Iraqi guy on the ground

2) A second clip of him being shot

3) A third clip of of a guy standing there holding a gun, who is acting VERY quiet and professional (notice no cheering or happy facial expressions)

4) A forth unrelated clip of some guy talking about SOMETHING we don't even know WHAT it is he is saying "hell yeah" about