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    I want the 9th Circuit to have my baby!

    Well, I posted a thread a couple weeks ago about the 9th Circuit attacking a crappy provision of the 1996 Antiterror Act wrt funding terrorist groups.

    And of course - I'm sure y'all have heard of this, about a week ago, the 9th Circuit ruled that the people held at Gitmo can't be detained indefinitely.
    CNN.com - U.S. court rebukes Bush over Gitmo - Dec. 18, 2003
    http://edition.cnn.com/2003/LAW/12/18/court.gitmo/


    And a couple days ago the 9th Circut has ruled that the feds' controlled substances act doesn't overrule California's law legalizing medical marijuana.
    Page not found - CounterPunch.org
    http://www.counterpunch.org/harrison12182003.html


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  • #2
    I agree with the second oen. but I can care less if the prisoners at gitmo are there indefinately- unless they are U.S. citizens.

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    • #3
      Once again, these decisions will probably be overturned, like many of the 9th Circuit's decisions. Better clean that cream out of your jeans.
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      • #4
        And a couple days ago the 9th Circut has ruled that the feds' controlled substances act doesn't overrule California's law legalizing medical marijuana.


        Don't get too excited about this one. The dissenting justice was correct on this one. If you look at Wickard v. Filburn, even intrastate medical drug use can be regulated under the Commerce Clause. Unless SCOTUS overrules Wickard, which is very doubtful, this case will probably be overruled.
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        • #5
          Wickard relied on a special case (in addition to dubious reasoning of course). IIRC the idea was that deciding to grow wheat affects its interstate market price. However, in the case of medical marijuana, as it isn't legal in other states, there exists no legal interstate market, thus the argument in Wickard cannot be applied.
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          • #6
            Once again, these decisions will probably be overturned, like many of the 9th Circuit's decisions.
            And once again, that's probably the case, but it's refreshing to finally see someone who's willing to put up a fight against our decline into a police state.

            At least the 2nd Circuit's decision on Padilla likely won't be overturned.

            Better clean that cream out of your jeans.
            They're already stained.
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            • #7
              Wickard relied on a special case (in addition to dubious reasoning of course). IIRC the idea was that deciding to grow wheat affects its interstate market price. However, in the case of medical marijuana, as it isn't legal in other states, there exists no legal interstate market, thus the argument in Wickard cannot be applied.


              Believe me, it will be. Wickard stands for the fact that even intrastate commerce can be regulated because it has (potentially) effects of interstate commerce. It has been taken for the proposition that ANY commerce can be regulated by the federal government. If the SCOTUS reverses Wickard many programs would have to be seriously reconsidered and the SCOTUS isn't going to place that burden on the federal government.

              And besides they can say if other states legalize medical marijuana, then it would affect prices on that open market.
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              • #8
                It's a drug case going before a court known to be quite Statist when it comes to such matters. I wouldn't count on it standing.
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                • #9
                  Yeah but no other states have legalized medical marijuana. In pretty much every other situation, you can "make" that argument, but not in this one. 'Specially when you have a state law directly contradicting the federal one.
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                  • #10
                    True, I'm not saying it won't be overturned, but legal precedent I think argues otherwise.
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                    • #11
                      Yeah but no other states have legalized medical marijuana.


                      Doesn't matter...there would be the potential for it to happen.
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                      • #12
                        In which case, the matter could be revisited. But it doesn't make sense yet.
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                        • #13
                          The SCOTUS isn't going to say this matter can be revisted later. They just don't act like that.
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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                          • #14
                            I'm not saying the they won't overturn it. I'm just saying such a decision doesn't make legal sense.
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                            • #15
                              and?
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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