Taram!!! The new Europe.

[Bereta_Eder]

Here's how Europe could shape up.

The first column is the countries which will constitute the "core Europe". The middle column is the undecided countries and the last column is the "periphery" countries, those that will be kept outside the "core Europe" states.

Forgive the quality and you need to know either greek or the flag of each country to get it.

[Ecthy]

you call France 'Gallia'?

[Bereta_Eder]

what else?

[Ecthy]

Looks good. The rest will succumb eventually, though their 3 strong ones (Italy 58, Poland 40, Spain 40) will be though. What does Malta do on the revolting side anyway?

[Ecthy]

didn't notice anything special apart from that, the "ias" not counted... ollandia etc

What do the column titles mean? does the first mean as much as "hyper"?

[Bereta_Eder]

Malta seems very anti-EU in general.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

So what's the difference of being part of the "Core Europe" elite as opposed the "Rabble Europe" outcasts?

[Bereta_Eder]

Yes Hyper = in favor, den exoun ekdilo8ei = have not yet expressed (themselves) and Kata = against

[*End Is Forever*]

Column 1: France and Germany (standing up for their national interest whilst pretending to be in favour of the "European interest") and those subservient to them
Column 2: Those countries without either the guts or power to stand up to France and Germany
Column 3: Those countries prepared to stand up for their national interests

[Ecthy]

thanks!

ghengis - the core are those who want quick progress, the others only want economic benefits but won't cede souvereignity.

[Ecthy]

Iain, are you saying the countries in column 1 and 3 are just the same?

[Bereta_Eder]

last column = nationalistic relics

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
So what's the difference of being part of the "Core Europe" elite as opposed the "Rabble Europe" outcasts?

The first column and those of the middle column which will join will have common judiciary, police, all common tax, common foreign policy and common defense, eventually. In short a federacy.
The others will join later, breathing heavily and dragging their feet as usual

[*End Is Forever*]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Iain, are you saying the countries in column 1 and 3 are just the same?

Well, yes and no. The first group stand directly behind French and German interests (presumably because they believe that French and German interests coincide with their own, or because they can't afford to upset them), but still attempt to convince others that their views are in the "collective interest" (though I might add that personally, I don't believe such a collective interest exists, hence my opposition to further integration).

The third group are at least honest with their intentions.

Anyway, it looks like a multi-speed Europe is now inevitable. Yay.

[Ecthy]

better multi speed than all countries on the same speed as Poland and the UK