EU summit a failure after talks break down

[C0ckney]

greece the country that banned computer games is in charge of IT, pull the other one...

to be honest, i can't see france and germany effectivly spilting the EU like that, but if some countries want to go ahead then good luck to them.

[VetLegion]

In reply to the "this is a rich club and I don't see why we should let the poor in" post: remember that Denmark for example wasn't a part of the free capitalist west by default - it was decided by three guys in a meeting.

So neither the fact that Romania is poor today or Denmark is rich today is because of their own choosing.

[Bereta_Eder]

it was a ban never actually enforced, repieled fast and aimed at gambling.
dont stay at pretexes.

whereas the only police academy england can hope to put together is the one on the movies. you do have the highest crime rate.

honestly the EU will not split, some will simply stay behind and out. they'll have only what we have now.

[Spiffor]

We need to resurrect the EEC, and to put all those Poles, Brits, Danes, and whatever nationalistic dinosaur country in. They'll be very happy to be in their beloved regime of single market and single commercial policy.

OTOH, other countries that are actually willing to progress should be in what would deserve to be called the "European Union", where the institutions having real European power are European. Those nations unting in a federation should be represented with only one seat in the EEC council, with the votes obviously representing the population.

It is obvious some countries want federalism, and some countries don't. Why should we absolutely do the federation all together? Let's have the nationalists stay in an economic conglomerate, and let's have the federalists do their federation without interference, provided the federation belongs to the economic conglomerate.

[Bereta_Eder]

and not even that (in the case of england - euro)

[C0ckney]

well i heard they were going to have the police academy in greece but some geezers went down there to take some pictures of the proposed site and got themselves arrested...

if that's what actually happens then that would suit england fine, but again the idea of a 'two-tier' europe will be much harder to swallow for our politicans than some stitch up comprimise...

[Bereta_Eder]

spiffor, thats what will happen. 3 or for nationalistic dinosaurs in their cage and the others moving on.

I even supsect thats why there was no agreement, to open the way for that.

[C0ckney]

spiff i like your idea (the EEC one ), but it won't happen

[Bereta_Eder]

yeah and in englah a kid gets arrested for supporting 17 November at a web site, not really the paragorn of police efficiency, to say nothing of the racial riots and IRA on that island.


anyway, yea 2 speed EU that's the plan.

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by C0ckney
well i heard they were going to have the police academy in greece but some geezers went down there to take some pictures of the proposed site and got themselves arrested...

[Spiffor]

Ned:
Your country fought a civil war over the question of being a federation or a confederation (very basically, that's the problem faced by the EU nowadays).
You may not be aware of it, but we Europeans don't want to fight each other again. So, adopting your "perfect" constitution is not an option.

[Bereta_Eder]

and convicted since they did break the law after expliictely told not to take photos

I dont know if im more surprised at their hobby or their idiocy...

[VetLegion]

Well I know you are probably serious Spiff, but if you change your mind with regards to war drop us a hint here in the Balkans, we are always glad to help speed up the progress of civilization

[Bereta_Eder]

I like it how blair now pleeds for unity in the EU

He's seen the stick of wood and it is big

[DanS]

t is very easy for Americans to mock the difficulties we Europeans have in creating a viable system in which all countries get their fair say.

I don't know why it would be particularly easy for Americans to mock Europeans on this score. State power sharing was the toughest nut to crack in our constitution, and our institutions are constructed oddly because of the compromises made. That there would be a fight over this in the EU was entirely foreseeable (I have been mentioning it consistently for a couple of years).

This is an issue worth having a fight over and a half year additional discussion won't hurt a thing. So relax. Failure is too strong a word.