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  • #31
    Originally posted by Zylka
    Great. Our dollar will someday be worth more than 32 cents US again - and we can quit making priority of pleasing Chretien's friends and marrying two men


    Zylka, have you been hiding under a rock this year? Our dollar has skyrocketed back up to 75 cents USD and beyond.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
      True... but people still voted for the man rather than the party. You can't think if Joe Clark had run for Liberal PM in 2000 he would have got the same turnout.....
      Actually, it is exactly that sort of thinking that has democracy in Canada in such a sad state. Here's the short course...

      We elect MPs. Those MPs decide amongst themselves who is going to be the PM. The PM then appoints a cabinet from amongst other MPs. If the PM and cabinet step out of line, the MPs behind them should have the power to smack them down, possibly by replacing them. Such power in the hands of MPs is necessary to stop the possible abuses of our system where the PM is the head of the executive, and is the leader in Parliament.

      However, because so many Canadians don't have a freakin clue how it is supposed to work, the guy who gets to be PM has close to dictatorial power. MPs sit meekly on the back benches awaiting the kibble from the table of the 'one they elected'.

      Finally, here's a big clue. Chretein was on the ballot in exactly one riding during the last election. None of us elected him except for the 40 some percent who voted for him in Hicksville, Quebec. We elect our MPs, not our PM or cabinet.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
        You people are still missing the point. Paul Martin is the PM of this country, and he was never elected. Not to mention he has the right to appoint an entirely new cabinet, which is in no way in the hands of the Canadian public.
        Technically, nobody votes for the position of Prime Minister. The parties vote for their party leader, and the Canadian eligible voters vote for their riding's Member of Parliament. Whoever is leading the party with the most MPs in parliament becomes the Prime Minister.

        Chretien, too, had the right to appoint an entirely new cabinet with no input from the rest of the country--aside from the fact that nearly all the members of the cabinet were elected by the rest of the country.

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        • #34
          And NYE is an asshat.

          SP
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Agathon


            Why don't you move then? Why stay in a country that is hell bent on depriving you of your civil rights?
            Eh, I wouldn't play the "civil rights" card so heavily at the moment... Have you SEEN the Canadian Anti-Terorism bill? Yipes!

            Not to mention the fact that our constitution has multiple provisions for suspensions of our basics rights and freedoms...

            Of course, the gubmint never uses said powers, but you never know when one of these PMs is just gonna snap... WATCH OUT!

            (What's the name of the fellow in favour of ID Cards? Coderre, was it? Yeah, he's a dangerous one.)
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Fve Crathva
              And NYE is an asshat.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by notyoueither
                His electoral college?
                I was under the impression that he was American with an odd fetish for the Maple Leaf.
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
                  You people are still missing the point. Paul Martin is the PM of this country, and he was never elected. Not to mention he has the right to appoint an entirely new cabinet, which is in no way in the hands of the Canadian public.

                  Canada has an ENTIRELY NEW GOVERNMENT WHICH WAS IN NO WAY ELECTED BY CANADA.

                  Exactly what any *** from outside of his right frame of mind would support.

                  Think about it. Paul Martin is your head of state (essentially) and you NEVER ELECTED HIM!!!

                  DO YOU NOT GET THIS!?!?!?!?!?!?!
                  a) We never elect our head of state because that's a hereditary position

                  b) We never directly elect the head of government. Wait a second; neither does the US, the UK, Australia,...
                  12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                  Stadtluft Macht Frei
                  Killing it is the new killing it
                  Ultima Ratio Regum

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by notyoueither


                    Actually, it is exactly that sort of thinking that has democracy in Canada in such a sad state. Here's the short course...

                    We elect MPs. Those MPs decide amongst themselves who is going to be the PM.



                    The PM then appoints a cabinet from amongst other MPs.


                    Not necessarily MPs. AFAIK he can name anybody to his cabinet whether they have a seat or not.

                    If the PM and cabinet step out of line, the MPs behind them should have the power to smack them down, possibly by replacing them. Such power in the hands of MPs is necessary to stop the possible abuses of our system where the PM is the head of the executive, and is the leader in Parliament.

                    However, because so many Canadians don't have a freakin clue how it is supposed to work, the guy who gets to be PM has close to dictatorial power. MPs sit meekly on the back benches awaiting the kibble from the table of the 'one they elected'.

                    Finally, here's a big clue. Chretein was on the ballot in exactly one riding during the last election. None of us elected him except for the 40 some percent who voted for him in Hicksville, Quebec. We elect our MPs, not our PM or cabinet.


                    My MP was one of four Liberals who sided with the NDP on their Iraq resolution.
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by KrazyHorse

                      The PM then appoints a cabinet from amongst other MPs.


                      Not necessarily MPs. AFAIK he can name anybody to his cabinet whether they have a seat or not.
                      I'm not 100% sure on this, but I was pretty certain that cabinet ministers had to be appointed from either the House of Commons or the Senate. No non-legislatives allowed.
                      "I wrote a song about dental floss but did anyone's teeth get cleaner?" -Frank Zappa
                      "A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue, but moderation in principle is always a vice."- Thomas Paine
                      "I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours." -Bob Dylan

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                      • #41
                        the future of Canadian politics:

                        We are reduced to voting for a right wing or left wing candidate of the Liberal party, or 'wasting' our votes.

                        Demolition Man paraphrase: "In the future, all parties are the Liberal party"
                        "Wait a minute..this isn''t FAUX dive, it's just a DIVE!"
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by St Leo
                          Originally posted by Zylka
                          Great. Our dollar will someday be worth more than 32 cents US again - and we can quit making priority of pleasing Chretien's friends and marrying two men


                          Zylka, have you been hiding under a rock this year? Our dollar has skyrocketed back up to 75 cents USD and beyond.
                          "Skyrocketed" back up to 75 cents. We'll see how long this last. Otherwise, there was a time where the CDN dollar had a "1" in front of those decimals. The united right are the ones bring that back.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Seeker
                            the future of Canadian politics:

                            We are reduced to voting for a right wing or left wing candidate of the Liberal party, or 'wasting' our votes.

                            Demolition Man paraphrase: "In the future, all parties are the Liberal party"
                            Nah. There's a huge growth of the pissed off successful ready and willing for the right. Hell, my whole family in Ontario voted alliance last time

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
                              Exactly what any *** from outside of his right frame of mind would support.
                              And what do fags in their right frame of mind support?
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                              • #45
                                damn right wing canadians ***** and moan more than lefty Americans
                                To us, it is the BEAST.

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