Historically Neoconservatism will destroy the US military.

[GhengisFarb™]

Eliminating the Welfare State is fine with me.

[Boris Godunov]

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Originally posted by GhengisFarb
You just can't get anything right can you?


They didn't vote for it because it added BILLIONS in NEW spending, once again your tax and spend Democrats verus your cut the spending Repubicans.

Uh, wrong. Clinton cut spending to the lowest levels as a percentage of the GDP since 1966. The spending restraint under Clinton brought spending down from 22.2 percent of GDP in 1992 to 18.5 percent of GDP in 2000 -- the lowest since 1966. Non-defense discretionary Federal spending as a share of the economy was the lowest on record. Such spending fell from 3.7 percent of GDP in 1992 to 3.3 percent of GDP in 1999 -- the lowest as a share of the economy on record. Over this period, total discretionary spending fell from 8.6 percent of GDP to 6.3 percent of GDP, also the lowest on record.

Clinton also reduced the Federal work force. The Federal civilian workforce increased from when President Reagan took office to when President Bush left office. Under Clinton, the Federal workforce wascut by 377,000 -- nearly a fifth -- and is now lower than any time since 1960.

Clinton did this all while reducing taxes on the middle class. The total Federal tax rate for middle-income families has dropped from 24.5 percent in 1992 to 22.8 percent in 1999 – that’s the lowest tax rate since 1978. For families at one-half the median income, the effective Federal tax rate was slashed from 19.8 percent in 1992 to 14.1 percent in 1999 – that’s the lowest tax rate since 1968.

Any more "tax and spend" nonesense?

When did we bring Reagan into this? We were talking Dubya versus Clinton. If ANY Republican President can be substituted for any other one, can I subsitute Jefferson Davis for Clinton? Their both Democrat Presidents.

You can't even follow the previous points. You asserted all Dems were tax n spend and Repubs were spending reducers. I pointed out the Republican icon, Reagan, increased spending dramatically. You responded with the false notion that it was all the Dems fault--and I was responding to that. Keep up!

Oh, my bad, couldn't come up with any evidence in your favor could you? Better luck next time.

Erm, I'm looking for some evidence for any of your points here, don't seem to see any... sorry!

[Lord Merciless]

Re: Re: Historically Neoconservatism will destroy the US military.

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

Slight typo there, its the liberals and Democrats who are running up the deficits, the conservatives and Republicans who are trying to reduce spending.

Hence the origin of the term "tax and spend Democrat."

Partially right. You are correct about tax and spend Dems, but Reps are about "borrow and spend".

The only way to control spending is through a Republican Congress and a Democratic White House.

[Whoha]

He also signed welfare reform Boris, don't forget about that.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I find it incredulous that repubs can say with a straightface that they support smaller government. I do however fully support their claims that Dems are inherent tax and spenders.

Whats required is a change and emergence of the libertarian party.

[MrFun]

Re: Re: Historically Neoconservatism will destroy the US military.

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

Slight typo there, its the liberals and Democrats who are running up the deficits, the conservatives and Republicans who are trying to reduce spending.

Hence the origin of the term "tax and spend Democrat."

I thought that both parties like to spend -- only in different areas.

Democrats to social welfare programs, Republicans to military build up??

[DanS]

Clinton did this all while reducing taxes on the middle class.

Taxes were raised every year that Clinton was in office, as you can see from the chart that I posted. In fact, the taxes were the highest ever during Clinton's term in office.

He wasn't tax and spend, he was just tax.

[Az]

umm, the chart just said that the government revenues went up. That's because the economy grew.

[DanS]

You are in error. The chart plots government revenues against the economy. Economic growth is already baked into the cake -- as the economy grows, the denominator grows.

[Kramerman]

Dan is the man. thats a helpful graph

[Az]

ugh, you're right obviously.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DanS
Taxes were raised every year that Clinton was in office, as you can see from the chart that I posted. In fact, the taxes were the highest ever during Clinton's term in office.

He wasn't tax and spend, he was just tax.

Nor did I say he cut taxes for everyone--but he did make significant targeted tax cuts for the middle class, which was all that was stated.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by DanS
...... he was just tax.

And sax. He represented a new type of Democrat, "tax and sax."

[Imran Siddiqui]

One of the tenants of the new conservatives, or neocons, in the US is "starve the beast". That is, run up large deficits so the goverrnment cannot start/invest/waste (depending on your spin) money on new programs. Thus the huge deficits are not a problem. The resulting government debt will keep "the beast" in check.

As DanS said, you have a fundamental misunderstanding (as do many Democrats) of what a NeoConservative is.

Reagan made no attempt to cut spending or the deficit

Actually that is false. In his 1981 budget he had major plans to cut spending. Of course they were rejected because no one was going to cut SS and Medicare.

[DanS]

Nor did I say he cut taxes for everyone--but he did make significant targeted tax cuts for the middle class, which was all that was stated.

I would have to see your numbers. As it stands, I have no reason to believe them and every reason to doubt them.

Remember that in our federal tax system, tax rates naturally increase for everybody in every year in which we have real wage growth. This impacted the middle class, since real wages increased for them during Clinton's terms.