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Bush just signed the Medicare reform bill. Will the Left be happy? Bush has just created a 400 billion dollar new government entitlement program. The Left should be really happy, they got a great Christmas gift this year! 
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Naw, the left is saying that the entitlement on this one is reserved for insurance companies and drug manufacturers.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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Damn -- thought this was going to be about Bush's resigning.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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That's what I don't get. The Left gets this huge government entitlement program. They should love that!Seniors won't have to choose between dog food and their prescription drugs anymore. LOL. The Left who claims to care about seniors should really be happy about that. And yet they still whine and complain.Originally posted by rah
Naw, the left is saying that the entitlement on this one is reserved for insurance companies and drug manufacturers.'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
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Generally, entitlement programs are good for business. As long as your business benefits from the entitlements and someone else pays the taxes you love the entitlements.Originally posted by rah
Naw, the left is saying that the entitlement on this one is reserved for insurance companies and drug manufacturers.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Why do you say it's the Left who is complaining? It seems to me that the people who are complaining are just people who don't want to see more spending. Just because the politicians support this I don't think the public in general does. The politicians just want to please the seniors.Originally posted by The diplomat
The Left who claims to care about seniors should really be happy about that. And yet they still whine and complain.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Why do you say it's the Left who is complaining?
Because the biggest complainers about this bill are those running in the Democratic primary.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Why should "liberals" or "the Left" be happy about a $400 billion dollar give-away to corporations?
When TRUE conservatives and liberals alike hate a bill, you know it's bad.
The real trick is, the media lauds this bill as a "SUCCESS" "A VICTORY FOR BUSH" "MEDICARE REFORM"... and all the dopes buy their bull****.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Re: Bush gives the Left a huge christmas gift
Boo! Cut spending instead of acting like pigs and gorging yourselves on my money!Originally posted by The diplomat
Bush just signed the Medicare reform bill. Will the Left be happy? Bush has just created a 400 billion dollar new government entitlement program. The Left should be really happy, they got a great Christmas gift this year!
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The left seems to be complaining that the plan is not sufficient even though it is going to cost 400 billion over the next 10 years. The right is complaining that the plan is going to cost a lot more in the future and is ruinous to our economy. Seniors appear to be happy that they got something even if it is not 100% coverage which is implied in the Democrat complaints. I can only wonder how much I Democrat plan would cost if they got everything they wanted in the new bill.
I recall some conversation by leading Democrats also that the new bill is ineffective in that it does not have price controls. A major problem with placing price controls on what Medicare can purchase is that this effectively excludes from prescription care coverage more expensive drugs which seniors desperately need. I think the Democrats are way off base if this is their major complaint.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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The bill sucks. It gives a limited benefits across the board with no income test. Rich people do not need the government to assist them with their prescription drug costs. Also, there is a premium payment of roughly $400/year.
The benefit also has a "coverage gap" that starts at $2850 (the covered person must pay 100% of costs above $2250 up to $5100) and increases every year.
What seniors need is assistance that is better targeted by income level and has a set copay. This crap plan (which conveniently kicks in well after the 2004 elections) is just a campaign gimmic for the Republicans. I seriously hope it backfires, is repealed, and we can get some real work done on healthcare for those who NEED it."Stuie has the right idea" - Japher
"I trust Stuie and all involved." - SlowwHand
"Stuie is right...." - GuynemerComment
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When TRUE conservatives and liberals alike hate a bill, you know it's
...a nice compromise.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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Actually, I can chalk this up as the second thing that President Bush has done right the past four years.
The first one was invading Afghanistan.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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This crap plan (which conveniently kicks in well after the 2004 elections) is just a campaign gimmic for the Republicans.
Funny, because it was the Republicans who wanted an income cap (ie, you make more than x and you don't get the benefit), but the Democrats deep sixed that.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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