Debate over the dime pits Reagan against FDR

[Verto]

Originally posted by mrmitchell


But only if Clinton is on the quarter.

I'm sure the Chinese wouldn't mind putting him on their currency.

[Mr. Harley]

The reason I said that Gorbachev was a great man is because he didn't take the easy way out that most totalitarian governments do - shoot the protestors. The entire system he had been raised in supported exactly that. He chose not to kill people, knew he was taking a risk (his generals told him from what I understand) and at that moment sealed the fate of the Soviet Union. He didn't intend that as a result. But he had decided not to stay in power while standing in a pool of blood. How many rulers with that much power, and the ability to do that, have made that decision? That is why I consider him a great person. How many American presidents have made a moral decision that put their presidency at risk, knowingly? (by the way, they do exist - I'm going to have fun watching the posts )

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten


Reagan was president for 8 years in what turned out to be the last gasp of the Cold War, was a great orator himself, and created........ so I can see why people consider him just as memorable as FDR.

Churchill was a great orator. Reagan read scripts. There is a difference.

The fact that people fell for Reagan's manufactured hooey is one of the great mysteries of the eighties, like deely boppers, legwarmers and rah rah skirts, and the success of A Flock of Seagulls. Does the United States have any coins made out of brass? Commemorate the Divine Deceiver on a suitable metal. That or tin, for the hollow sound of a tin can kicked.

Still, at least we have Nancy to channel Ronnie now. Just like in his second term....and his first.

[Verto]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Churchill was a great orator. Reagan read scripts. There is a difference.

Reagan wrote many of his own speeches...

[Imran Siddiqui]

And Churchill wrote many scripts.... don't worry Verto, it's another pathetic attempt by the left.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And Churchill wrote many scripts.... don't worry Verto, it's another pathetic attempt by the left.

Of course it is dear. You keep taking your medicine, and lighting the incense in front of your votive bust of Ronald the Modern Prometheus, successor to Oatmeal Man, Geraldus of the Ford.

Hilarious, were it not for the existence of the Churchill cult on the Reaganite right. Pity none of them had his ability with words, either in writing or oratory.

" I've occasionally called Cap my 'Disraeli'. But as I think of him and the service he's given the nation in the cause of freedom and peace, more than anyone else, it's Churchill who comes to mind."

Ronald Reagan on Caspar 'the Defensive' Weinberger's retirement.

It's difficult to know what is funniest about this- the ludicrous image of Weinberger (sorry, 'Sir' Caspar) as Disraeli, or that Ronbo actually bothered to find out who Disraeli was, what with all the pressures on his time as leader of the free world consulting astrologists and watching old Disney films, and not, repeat not, tinting his hair.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Or that your delusions are incorrect and Reagan was much more intelligent that you could have ever thought possible.

It seems you are also bitter that Reagan is acknowledged to have suburb oratory skills... 'Great Communicator' and all. I guess I don't blame those on the left for being so bitter about it .

[Kidlicious]

@ molly bloom

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Or that your delusions are incorrect and Reagan was much more intelligent that you could have ever thought possible.

It seems you are also bitter that Reagan is acknowledged to have suburb oratory skills... 'Great Communicator' and all. I guess I don't blame those on the left for being so bitter about it .

It would be nice to think you could mind read, because as I stated before, there's a job in a carny booth waiting for you.

I'm not bitter that Republican spin doctors managed to create a myth of a great communicator. Communicating what exactly? If someone manages to get across that 2 + 2 = 4 they're simply communicating the perfectly obvious. Perhaps your willingness to idolize the mediocre blinds you to his evident mediocrity. 'Suburb' oratory skills in fact unwittingly (Freudianly?) sums it up. Sound bites catered to feed seemingly meaningful aural pap to people in between advertisements for Bengay and Anusol- probably the right niche for the Thoughts of Chairman Ron.

It's nice you think of me as the Left, although now I see I've been demoted merely to 'on the left'; however my gripe on the oratory issue isn't politically motivated at heart- it's because I love the English language, spoken and written, and the idea that the flatulent huckster for American big business is somehow a modern Demosthenes or Cicero is ludicrous.

'I think of Cap as my Disraeli.' Yeah, sure you do Ronnie. So what does that make Ronnie? Queen Victoria? How ludicrous.

And no, I don't believe Reagan suddenly jumped in intelligence quotient points when he became Governor of California or President- all it meant was that from reciting second rate lines in B movies he went to regurgitating second rate lies in his own 'B Movie'- the scriptwriters just became better paid.

As I said before, and as Gil Scott Heron wrote, the American people wanted John Wayne, but what they ended up with was ersatz True Grit. Hollyweird.

[mrmitchell]

Molly, I think what Imran's looking for is a link saying O Holy Reagan spoke from script instead of his own words.

[Verto]

Let's just forget about dimes and nickels and quarters, and go for a more honorable place for President Reagan.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Or that your delusions are incorrect and Reagan was much more intelligent that you could have ever thought possible.

It seems you are also bitter that Reagan is acknowledged to have suburb oratory skills... 'Great Communicator' and all. I guess I don't blame those on the left for being so bitter about it .

Intelligent??


This is the same president who thought that trees caused pollution!!

[mrmitchell]

Let's just forget about dimes and nickels and quarters, and go for a more honorable place for President Reagan.

Put him on the $500 bill? Yeah, that's good. The rich abused his power during his Presidency, why not now too?

[Verto]

Originally posted by MrFun


Intelligent??


This is the same president who thought that trees caused pollution!!

I am tired of you radical liberals and your mythical notions of 'pollution'.

[Kuciwalker]

This is the same president who thought that trees caused pollution!!

As opposed to Carter and his "killer rabbit"