Debate over the dime pits Reagan against FDR

[SpencerH]

Every president has had positive and negative aspects to their tenure. Despite my personal appreciation of Reagan's accomplishments and my disagreement with FDR's policies, I dont agree with replacing FDR on the dime.

They'll just have to carve another face on Mt. Rushmore.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by The diplomat

Reagan helped end the Cold War, helped create a strong economy with tax cuts, and renewed America's self-confidence and respect in the world. He was far from mediocre.

Actually, Reagan instituted a net tax increase. Reagan reduced capital gains taxes and made small cuts on income tax. This was offset by massive increases in the SS/FICA payroll tax and an increase on fees. Since it is the poor and middle class who are hit the hardest by SS/FICA and it was fees for lower and middle class services that he increased. This means that most people got a tax hike under Reagan. Rob from the poor, to give to the rich.

So unless you have investment income sufficient to take advantage of those capital gains cut and make income sufficiently over the cutoff for SS/FICA, the diplomat, you're crowing over a tax increase!

As for ending the cold war, the Soviets were on the skids by the 70s, and their Afghan adventure accelerated the process. Reagan just happened to be sitting in the right place at the right time. Besides, I'm sure by his later years in office he didn't even remember what the cold war was.

[Drake Tungsten]

Geez, a guy makes one dumb mistake and then you never let him forget about it.

I'm just pickin'.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Excuse me, a common myth of the type if it's repeated enough, most people believe it. Reagan did not cause the fall of the Soviet Union. Gorbachev did, and should go down as a great man for it.

Gorby should go down in history as a great man for being a failure?

And yes, Reagan did help kick down the USSR. He put a great amount of pressure on the Soviets and his speeches against Communism, especially the one at Moscow University, inspired many Eastern Europeans. Basically, Reagan won the PR war, which was instrumental in helping to end the Cold War.

[Az]

Gorby should go down in history as a great man for being a failure?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Geez, a guy makes one dumb mistake and then you never let him forget about it.

I'm just pickin'.

yeah, figured

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Excuse me, a common myth of the type if it's repeated enough, most people believe it. Reagan did not cause the fall of the Soviet Union. Gorbachev did, and should go down as a great man for it.

Gorby should go down in history as a great man for being a failure?

And yes, Reagan did help kick down the USSR. He put a great amount of pressure on the Soviets and his speeches against Communism, especially the one at Moscow University, inspired many Eastern Europeans. Basically, Reagan won the PR war, which was instrumental in helping to end the Cold War.

Oh wow -- a political leader made SPEECHES.

[The diplomat]

Reagan was not Carter. That alone was a huge accomplishment. :

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oh wow -- a political leader made SPEECHES.

Yes, to a neanderthal like you, the spoken word may not have much of an effect .

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Oh wow -- a political leader made SPEECHES.

Yes, to a neanderthal like you, the spoken word may not have much of an effect .

Shows how much you know -- I'm a Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
the spoken word may not have much of an effect .

Sensational nonsense only has an effect on some people.

[MrFun]

YEAH!!


Just because I don't goosestep behind leaders who follow scripts written for them, by others, doesn't make me a neanderthal.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Nice to know you don't get inspired by speeches... like by certain Democratic primary candidates .

[MrFun]

OH -- well . . . . .


if we're talking about speeches done by DEMOCRATIC political leaders, I suppose that's a different story.


Not that I'm biased or anything.






Actually, to be serious for a minute, I do sometimes think that the anti-Bush attacks by the Democratic candidates goes too far. Are they TRYING to make themselves look like raving madmen?

[mrmitchell]

The diplomat, let's strike a deal.

Reagan can be on the dime.

But only if Clinton is on the quarter.