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I second MOBIUS on at least one point - the Brits in Basra must be doing something right. I presume the "experts" will give me the typical explaination - Basra is a friendly territory! But what is the hen and what is the egg? Why is Basra friendly?
The Brits have learned peacekeeping operations the hard way, in Belfast, Cyprus and Bosnia. You can't win a liberation war without the support of the civilians. I don't think the "friendlieness" of Basra is the only explaination to the success of the Brits. There are guerilla assaults there too. But you never hear of Brits killing journalists or allies, and hardly ever civilians either (but that happened, I know). I think a good idea to win this war might be for the Yanks to learn from the Tommie's tactics - whatever that is.
So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Seen too many of your hysterical threads to care.
ditto
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln
Seconded. Given the nature of his posts, coupled with the all-CAPS nick, I have this mental image of a frothing-at-the-mouth fanatic, raving at the top of his lungs. At all times.
-Arrian
Thirded. In fact, he's one of two people on my ignore (CharlesBHoff is the other one).
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln
Argueably for this sort of work you have to have nerves of steal. I remember reading that from all the peacekeepers in Afganistan the locals trusted only one group (which happened to be the Greeks, they even changed Kabul's central square's name to Alexander the Great - but that's not important) which was percevied by them as "not an occupation force" and "with them for them". I suppose this is the attitude/projection that a peacekeeping force must give to the people who were unfortunate enough to need/have to put up with one.
I agree with Tripledoc on this, if you can't keep your nerves on a tight hold and don't portray and even feel that you are there for the people then you have no business being there and you'll make your own life and those of others harder. Although whatever happens there will still be attacks going on.
I don't mean to say anything against the soldiers on the ground in Iraq, but they really are not trained for this type of work. It's all good and well for us to sit here and say "They should be less trigger happy!", but if it was your ass on the line, yours might start to itch too. Fact is, there is a component of the army that handles this sort of thing quite well. Fortunately for all of us, they're at home.
"Beauty is not in the face...Beauty is a light in the heart." - Kahlil Gibran
"The greatest happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved; loved for ourselves, or rather, loved in spite of ourselves" - Victor Hugo
"It is noble to be good; it is still nobler to teach others to be good -- and less trouble." - Mark Twain
We could do a lot better if the average American GI both spoke and understood Arabic.
Also, it would a lot better if we could use the Iraqis themselves as police in the city's. We never should have the disbanded the Iraqi army. That was a gigantic mistake in two ways: First, Iraqi troops could then have been used from the get-go as security forces in the cities and towns and along the borders. Second, by disbanding the army, we gave Saddam's resistance forces several hundred thousand unemployed but militarily skilled potential recruits for the resistance.
This thread is unfair. When in uniform, with a big gun, with a patriotic feeling, with the threat of being under attack 24/7, OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO GO MENTAL AGAINST CIVILIANS!! Its happened in every war before, and will happen countless times again. Lets lay off the Americans because theyre an easy propaganda target.
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- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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