Separate but equal

[Ned]

This is why Kennedy opposes vouchers. The middly class white kids in Boston all go to private schools. The black kids all go to public schools. Vouchers would allow real desegregation by allowing the black kids to go to private school as well. The white kids would then have no place to flee and separate but equal would "finally" die.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/11/26/boston.busing.ap/index.html

[MRT144]

ok dr. conservatron... your rightwing spin array seems to be working in full effect.

[Urban Ranger]

Private schools don't have to accept black kids.

[korn469]

or they could start new private schools that cost the same as the tuition of the old private schools + the value of the voucher

[MichaeltheGreat]

Re: Separate but equal

Originally posted by Ned
This is why Kennedy opposes vouchers. The middly class white kids in Boston all go to private schools. The black kids all go to public schools. Vouchers would allow real desegregation by allowing the black kids to go to private school as well. The white kids would then have no place to flee and separate but equal would "finally" die.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/11....ap/index.html

My daughter goes to a private school. Cost, which is pretty low by San Diego standards for schools of similar academic level, is around 15 grand a year. And they own the school buildings and land outright, as a result of bequests in past decades, so very little capital cost. The largest proposed voucher I've seen in California was $5,200 per year, so that still would leave about ten grand a year after taxes that the average peasant would have to scrape up. My son isn't old enough to be in school, but if he was, then two kids would be a shortfall of twenty grand a year of after tax "disposable" income to be spent on two kids' private school tuitions.

I have yet to see a private school in the US worth a **** (and not heavily subsidized by someone) that charges anything close to the low level of any voucher program that I've seen. So sorry to burst your bubble, but private schools are and will remain generally restricted to those with economic privilege, or those few given full or at least major scholarships.

[KrazyHorse]

Is Ned out of his ****ing mind or is it just me?

Holy ****. If the gov't was going to give enough money to every student so that they could go to whatever private school they wanted then I'd be all in favour of vouchers (this from a full-fledged card-carrying socialist). Until then, it's just a way to give rich folks another tax break.

[Theben]

Well, MtG, supposedly some religious schools have annual tuition costs between $2500-$7500, which is of course the point of vouchers in the 1st place.

[orange]

Sure Ned

[mindseye]

This is why Kennedy opposes vouchers. (...) The white kids would then have no place to flee and separate but equal would "finally" die.

Uh, got it. If something is bad, it must be the fault of the Clintons, Kennedy, or "business-hating" liberals. But most likely the Clintons.

Ned, the only reason I haven't consigned you to the Ignore List with the rest of the partisan yokels and teen fascists is for your occasional humor value.

[Spec]

Re: Re: Separate but equal

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat My daughter goes to a private school. Cost, which is pretty low by San Diego standards for schools of similar academic level, is around 15 grand a year.

15 grand?!?! Are your schools on the stock exchange or what?!

Man.....Up here in Canada it costs 5 grand a year for the best schools outhere....


You guys are getting ripped off, imo.


Spec.

[JohnT]

You get what you pay for.

[GePap]

Catholic schools, which of course are private in the sens thay they are not state, though still run by a huge organization, would be some of the biggest beneficiaries of Voucher programs, not prep schools and higher end private schools as MtG said.

As I ask over and over and over, dozens of other industrialized states make Public schools work..so there must be somehting about how the uS forms iot public schools that is the basis for failure. I say it is paying from local property taxes and decentralized control.

[Spec]

Originally posted by JohnT
You get what you pay for.

Yea, and that's probably why the U.S. keeps on buying off our scientists every year.


Spec.

[Kuciwalker]

I have yet to see a private school in the US worth a **** (and not heavily subsidized by someone) that charges anything close to the low level of any voucher program that I've seen.

I have yet to see a private school in the US worth a ****, with or without your qualifier

[Buck Birdseed]

Forget race. What it'll do primarily, Ned, is remove the able students (disproportionally from a middle-class background for various reasons) from public school, thus greatly increasing the segregation in society, with even worse bad schools and (possibly) better good schools. The system is also innefficient and a total waste of public money but that's a minor concern.