History Channel says LBJ killed JFK

[GhengisFarb™]

Anyway, here's wishing good luck to the Kennedy's new project of breeding bullet proof presidential candidates from Arnold and Maria.

[Ned]

Two hit Kennedy. One hit Connally. One hit a bystander near the underpass. That's four, unless one could be a single bullet.

Thus the magic, single bullet theory. Even Specter says that this could be mistaken because he was working from a sketch, not the photos and other autopsy materials.

Oswald shot three times.

[Ned]

If you look at the Zapruder film with the shots as recorded by the "open mike," it appears that Connally got hit almost at the same time as the Kennedy head shot. The two shots "overlapped" as did the first two shots.

[Lung]

Am i missing something here? Yesterday i saw on TV supposed evidence that the same bullet killed JFK and the other guy in the presidential car.

Like i've always said - no one can be 100% sure except the person/s responsible. Americans are crazy, so anything's possible

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Two hit Kennedy. One hit Connally. One hit a bystander near the underpass. That's four, unless one could be a single bullet.

Thus the magic, single bullet theory. Even Specter says that this could be mistaken because he was working from a sketch, not the photos and other autopsy materials.

Oswald shot three times.

Could be mistaken. But the magic bullet could do exactly what it the WC claims it did. Bullets bounce around inside people all the time.

[Odin]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

A CIA kill team got an order from high up to kill JFK that day and at that spot.

The route and security was specifically set up to make it happen.

JFK was hit my multiple bullets.

I've heard that Bush Sr. (Who was in the CIA at the time, wasn't he?) might have been involved. RFK's anti-racism stance also must of made them both targets of southern hate groups. Connally was a Democrat, right?

[Odin]

Ned, thanks for taking Oswald off my suspect list.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Could be mistaken. But the magic bullet could do exactly what it the WC claims it did. Bullets bounce around inside people all the time.

Bouncing around could explain how a bullet could be fired from above Kennedy, enter his back below the shoulder blade, and then exit at the bottom of his neck. The trajectory is UP from between the two points, not down or flat, assuming that Kennedy was sitting upright, looking to the right and waving at the time he was hit as the Zapruder film suggests.

But there is no way that a bullet flying up could have hit Connally - that is, unless Kennedy were bending over at the time. He did bend over in the Zapruder film, but after the first shot. If there was such a first shot that missed Kennedy, this might have been the bullet that hit the bystander.

There is still another possibility. The bullet hit Kennedy from the front and travelled down to exit from the back. This would be very consistent with a shooter on top of the overpass. The surgeons who tried to save Kennedy said the hole in his throat was a clean, small hole typical of an entry wound. They widened it to form a tracheotomy.

[chequita guevara]

It's funny how you always call me a conspiracy theorist when I have all kinds of documentary evidence, but all you have is pure speculation about LBJ.

[Ned]

Che, I admit it! You got me.

It's just that my Dad said LBJ did it when it happened. I was talking to my wife who was born in Brazil. Apparently, her Dad said the same thing to her.

It is interesting, is it not, that LBJ did not take Bobby Kennedy as VP in '64 even though he wanted it very badly and the vast majority of all Democrats wanted it too? LBJ was so far ahead in the polls that he could have won the election with any VP choice. But the most popular was Kennedy. And LBJ said no.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
The CIA shot him. It was most likely ordered by LBJ as he had the most motive.

However................

The Secret Service set up the route for the CIA to nail him and there is a strong possibility that the KGB and Mob (both of whom had very legitimate reasons to off him) discovered the potentional kill spot in the route and had their own kill teams there not realizing the CIA kill team was already going to off him.

He probably got shot by three different kill teams working for three different interests. Lee Harvey was just a stooge, I think he was a CIA stooge, but he could have been set up by someone else.

How many people does it take these days to kill a President of the United States?

John Dillinger just before he fired the fatal shot from the Grassy Knoll.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Ned


Bouncing around could explain how a bullet could be fired from above Kennedy, enter his back below the shoulder blade, and then exit at the bottom of his neck. The trajectory is UP from between the two points, not down or flat, assuming that Kennedy was sitting upright, looking to the right and waving at the time he was hit as the Zapruder film suggests.

But there is no way that a bullet flying up could have hit Connally - that is, unless Kennedy were bending over at the time. He did bend over in the Zapruder film, but after the first shot. If there was such a first shot that missed Kennedy, this might have been the bullet that hit the bystander.

There is still another possibility. The bullet hit Kennedy from the front and travelled down to exit from the back. This would be very consistent with a shooter on top of the overpass. The surgeons who tried to save Kennedy said the hole in his throat was a clean, small hole typical of an entry wound. They widened it to form a tracheotomy.

TaKe a physics class sometime Ned and learn a few things about momentum and angles of incidence. Bones are round and hard, which means that it is very difficult to predict which way a bullet will bounce off of a bone. It can come straight back the way it came, among many other possibilities. None of the evidence I have seen in defense of the single gunman theory fails the plausibility test. Bullets can do some crazy things. They can penetrate several people. Bullets fired from Mausers were found to penetrate an average of 7 bodies, and one penetrated 13 bodies during tests at one of the German conentration camps during WW2, and yes they used live people for the tests. They can ricochet in wildly different directions, and most rifle bullets are destroyed by impact (for forensic purposes) against any sort of hard surface like a roadway or a building.

Was there a conspiracy to kill the POTUS? Possibly, but it would have to be a very small conspiracy to have survived all of this time. Someone would have already talked by now if this was something that was done by the government or the mob IMO. So I tend to think that Oswald acting alone is the most likely, with a small conspiracy at less than a 30% chance, and a large conspiracy (like the one where LBJ is ordering guys in the CIA to do the deed, complete with bureacratic paper trails) at almost 0% probability.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Che, I admit it! You got me.

It's just that my Dad said LBJ did it when it happened. I was talking to my wife who was born in Brazil. Apparently, her Dad said the same thing to her.

Given that JBJ absoutely hated the Kennedys, and the return feeling wasn't very amicable either, I don't find it strange that many people would rush to judgement. Nor do I find it strange that he didn't want Bobby on the ticket. The two didn't get along at all.

[SlowwHand]

Re: History Channel says LBJ killed JFK

Originally posted by Ned
Right now, 4 pm Pacific, Nov. 22, the HST Channel is re-running the special report allegeding that LBJ was behind the assassination.

A) That's bull****.
B) Oswald didn't make fantastic shots. It was mundane, for a sniper.

[chequita guevara]

It was unusual in two aspects, Sloww. The shots were fired while the Prez was moving away, which is harder than when the target is apporching. Also, it was the 3rd shot which was the most accurate, when usually it is the first and each subsequent shot gets less accurate.