Dean's "Re-Regulation" Of American Business

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
Ohhh yeaaahhh!.... Taft takin' out the garbage, and bustin' them trusts...

Who is the man who's always in demand?

TAFT!

Yeah, he's one bad mutha -

Shut your mouth!

What? I'm just talkin' bout Taft...

Damned funny!

[Sikander]

Originally posted by TCO

Of interest, the WSJ is in favor of an expanded bracero program.

Let 'em stay a few years in the U.S. and eat fast food and I guarantee a lot of those Braceros are going to be expanded.

[Ramo]

Of interest, the WSJ is in favor of an expanded bracero program.

Which keeps Mexican immigrant workers in a nebulous legal position where they can be prevented from getting uppity and organizing/striking by using the state's threat of deportation if they ever lose their jobs. As is usually the case by the right, the liberty the immigrants get is in name only.

[Ramo]

I never said it was. I referred clearly to the soft money.

Which hasn't come into play in Dean's campaign yet.

[Zylka]

brown leprechaun?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

I see. Another victim of Democrat propaganda.

I reported earlier that Affirmative action with quota's and timetables was a Nixon program. The Republicans were key to passing both Civil Rights acts. Eisenhower sent in the troops to enforce Brown v. Board of Education.

The opposition to illegal immigration is due to the strain the immigrants cause on the state budgets and because illegal aliens use mandated government services but do not pay taxes. Business are generally in favor of more legal immigration so that they can hire skilled workers. It is the UNIONS who oppose immigration because they represent wage competition.

So, take your proganda and go to hell.

Nixon = repug
Have you already forgotten Strom Thurmond? I guess the republicans just want to forget about all the racism, and injustice they have caused over more than a century. He ran for president on an segregationist platform and he even won a state. Those states today vote repug. Ooops. You ****ed up again there Ned. But thats alright. You can join the legions of repugs who have institutional amnesia
Who says that any people should have mandated government services?

[Ned]

Strom Thurmon was a Southern Democrat who ran for president as a Dixiecrat. Why are you associating that campaign with Republicans?

Now, if you believe that such people cannot change and that Thurmon must have remained a segregationist his entire life, I give you Robert F. Byrd, Senate Democrat majority leader and member of the KKK.

Lawrence of the Lie, citing to particular politicians can go on this way forever. Most of the segregationists were from the South. Almost all of the began as Democrats. They were Democrats when Eisenhower sent in the troops. They were Democrats when Nixon began affirmative action. They switched parties when the Democrats went soft on communism and elected McGovern.

Republicans have been gaining power in the South only recently. Whatever segregation that went on there since the civil war is the responsibility of only one party, and it is NOT the Republican Party.

Your distorted view of history is highly distateful.

[uh Clem]

Strom Thurmond switched parties in 1964. The proximate cause was the (Democratic) Johnson administration's push for the Civil Rights bill in Congress.

Goldwater (Republican) voted against it, and carried only Deep South states (plus Arizona) in the presidentail election that year. It's pretty obvious where his support was coming from.

I remember these events quite well.

As always, I have to mention that this is how things were here on Earth; I can't speak for Planet Ned.

[Berzerker]

I guess the republicans just want to forget about all the racism, and injustice they have caused over more than a century.

Wow! It was the GOP that supported or created slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, etc going back more than a century?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Yes, it was the GOP who supported segregation. Yes it was President Lincoln (GOP) who said "If I can save the Union without freeing a slave I will do it. If I can save the Union by freeing all the slaves, I will do it." Yes it was the GOP who

Now, if you believe that such people cannot change and that Thurmon must have remained a segregationist his entire life, I give you Robert F. Byrd, Senate Democrat majority leader and member of the KKK.

Now where have I said that I support the democrats? And btw, Strom Thurmond was the biggest of weasels. He flip flopped on segregation because he saw how the wind was blowing. He said whatever he could to get elected, which proves that his electorate were racist.

They switched parties when the Democrats went soft on communism and elected McGovern.

Tell me how Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, a dozen middle eastern and latin american countries constitute a threat to US security. Oh yeah, they don't. Thats not soft on communism. Thats not sending off the poor of america to fight for the rich, elitists whos asses arnt on the line.

[Ned]

Originally posted by uh Clem
Strom Thurmond switched parties in 1964. The proximate cause was the (Democratic) Johnson administration's push for the Civil Rights bill in Congress.

Goldwater (Republican) voted against it, and carried only Deep South states (plus Arizona) in the presidentail election that year. It's pretty obvious where his support was coming from.

I remember these events quite well.

As always, I have to mention that this is how things were here on Earth; I can't speak for Planet Ned.

"Byline: Thomas Sowell
Dateline: September 28, 2000
No group votes more solidly for the Democrats than blacks - and no group suffers more as a result than blacks. Political spin makes Democrats the best friends of blacks, the party of civil rights laws, the party of affirmative action and the party of social programs to help the poor in general and blacks in particular. But spin and facts are very different things. The fact is that a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Despite all the media hype about the confederate flag flying over the state capitol in South Carolina, no Republican put that flag there.

The Democrats' Senator Fritz Hollings, who was governor of South Carolina in the 1960s, put that confederate flag there at a time when it was used all across the South as a symbol of resistance to the civil rights movement. With all the criticism of Texas Governor George W. Bush for not telling the state of South Carolina what to do, there was scarcely a word anywhere about Democrat Fritz Hollings. That's the media for you."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/folder/democrats_republicans_blacks.member.html

Uh Clem, care to tell what party controlled the South when it seceeded? Which party controlled the South through the latter half of the 19th and for most of the 20th. Tell us who supported slavery and who supported segregation?

According to earlier posts here, it was the Republicans. But in truth, it was the Democrats.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
Yes, it was the GOP who supported segregation. Yes it was President Lincoln (GOP) who said "If I can save the Union without freeing a slave I will do it. If I can save the Union by freeing all the slaves, I will do it."

Lawrence of the Leftist Propaganda, do you truly believe that the civil war was fought over States Rights and that Lincoln was not steadfastly opposed to slavery but actually supported it?

[Japher]

We can find racism, or the seemingness of it, in both (or any) party. Democrats, however, are more quick at pointing it out, and a lot better at whinning about until the force the nay-sayer from their political seat. Republicans need to do a better job at this (Robert Byrd).

Democrats also endorse programs to keep the minorities poor. They support legislation to extend welfare, to keep the poor poor, so they can get votes. Then, when they can't figure out what is going on, they hand over their problems to Republicans to fix (i.e. hunger in welfare since Newt got a hold of it).

Democratic party was founded on the basis to oppose Lincoln and anti-slavery laws.

Why anybody is a Democrat is beyond me, yet why any self respecting minority would be a Democrat just baffles me.

[Ramo]

Ned, can you put down your partisan blinders for a minute and take a good look at reality? Let's go over this one more time:

Racist democratics joined the Republican ticket after the Civil Rights Act (put together and pushed by a Democratic administration) and Goldwater's Southern strategy. Nowadays, the South is almost completely Republican. Thus, the Republicans, not the Democrats, inherit most of the political baggage of the South.

No group votes more solidly for the Democrats than blacks - and no group suffers more as a result than blacks. Political spin makes Democrats the best friends of blacks, the party of civil rights laws, the party of affirmative action and the party of social programs to help the poor in general and blacks in particular. But spin and facts are very different things.

It is the party of civil rights laws, the party of affirmative action, and the party of social programs (if you exclude third parties). Are you trying to tell me that Republicans support these things more than Democrats (now, not many decades years ago)?

The fact is that a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Despite all the media hype about the confederate flag flying over the state capitol in South Carolina, no Republican put that flag there.

And it's Republicans who want to keep it there. In fact, when Mississippi's Governer recently removed that symbol of hate and racism from the state capitol building, the Republicans got angry and kicked him out of office.

[Ramo]

Democratic party was founded on the basis to oppose Lincoln and anti-slavery laws.

Other way around, the Republican party was founded on the basis to oppose slavery laws in the territories. And of course, Lincoln hijacked the party with his agenda to redistribute income from poor farmers to rich industrialists.

Democrats also endorse programs to keep the minorities poor. They support legislation to extend welfare, to keep the poor poor, so they can get votes. Then, when they can't figure out what is going on, they hand over their problems to Republicans to fix (i.e. hunger in welfare since Newt got a hold of it).

Welfare keeps minorities poor? I guess they were all rolling in dough before all of those damn social programs. If I didn't have a public education, I bet I'd be a millionare by now!