Why Libertarians Should Be Socialists

[yavoon]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Hahaha keep laughing, out of the two of us, you still haven't made a post with any substance.

100% correct. but ur under the erroneous assumption that me pointing out ur dodging needs to be followed by some substantive dissertation.

[David Floyd]

Sure, you can hire personal security guards. They just can't go around violating the rights of other people, same as you can't, and same as the police can't.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Sure, you can hire personal security guards. They just can't go around violating the rights of other people, same as you can't, and same as the police can't.

and if I do who enforces that? god?

[Berzerker]

Yavoon's contribution:

total dodge.

more dodging.

its obvious david floyd is not interested in what will happen. only what should.

It's obvious yavoon is not interested in backing up his claims, just dodging.

[David Floyd]

and if I do who enforces that? god?

The courts and the police. That's what they're there for.

This is what I mean by people not understanding Libertarianism, although I rather suspect yavoon is doing this intentionally.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Yavoon's contribution:



It's obvious yavoon is not interested in backing up his claims, just dodging.

is this seriously how libertarians argue? this is a joke. since when does the person pointing out the obvious have to come back w/ claims? I mean are u that stupid?

if I say "ur dodging the argument." does that THEN REQUIRE ME TO make some longass post on claims or questions. can't I merely point out ur dodge? it doesn't seem that difficult.

[David Floyd]

You can do that, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously. I wasn't dodging, I was being a smartass, and I did go back and answer his post, after making my point.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by David Floyd


The courts and the police. That's what they're there for.

This is what I mean by people not understanding Libertarianism, although I rather suspect yavoon is doing this intentionally.

but if I own the land I can just decide that u can't afford police fees. therefore u dont get representation. so u really don't have rights anymore.

[Berzerker]

yavoon -

is this seriously how libertarians argue?

We're arguing?

this is a joke.

Glad you caught onto the symbolism of the

since when does the person pointing out the obvious have to come back w/ claims? I mean are u that stupid?

You're dodging.

if I say "ur dodging the argument." does that THEN REQUIRE ME TO make some longass post on claims or questions. can't I merely point out ur dodge? it doesn't seem that difficult.

More dodging.

[David Floyd]

What are you talking about? Again, this isn't anarchy we're discussing - or at least, that I'm discussing. You seem to be, though.

Let me say this one more time. Libertarian governments have very few functions. Two of these functions are a police force, with a mandate to protect individual rights and work with the judicial system, which does about what you would expect - that is, criminal trials, civil litigation, contract enforcement, etc.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by David Floyd
What are you talking about? Again, this isn't anarchy we're discussing - or at least, that I'm discussing. You seem to be, though.

Let me say this one more time. Libertarian governments have very few functions. Two of these functions are a police force, with a mandate to protect individual rights and work with the judicial system, which does about what you would expect - that is, criminal trials, civil litigation, contract enforcement, etc.

its not too hard. u post that u have to pay user fees for a service. including police and representation by the courts. I own land, I can charge u any rent I like. I might even own the police stations land so I can charge them rent. its not very hard for me to make user fees for the police station too expensive for the common person. and if they dont pay the fees, they dont get the representation. therefore they have no rights.

I've done nothing but negotiate rent.

[Odin]

What I have gotten out of tbis thread is that Libertarianism = Thugocracy.

[Berzerker]

yavoon -

I might even own the police stations land so I can charge them rent. its not very hard for me to make user fees for the police station too expensive for the common person.

If you charge too much, what's stopping the other people wanting a police department from moving the station to land they own? We pay user fees now for the police in the form of taxes, do we have this problem you've hypothesised?

I've done nothing but negotiate rent.

You've negotiated yourself out of being a landlord.

[David Floyd]

I own land, I can charge u any rent I like.

Absolutely.

I might even own the police stations land so I can charge them rent.

Sure.

its not very hard for me to make user fees for the police station too expensive for the common person.

Then again, why would the government build police stations on land you own? Why would you be the only landowner? Why wouldn't the government negotiate a contract with the lowest bidding landowner? Why wouldn't the government just purchase land outright for the police station?

That's silly. I guess this is back to Bananaland. On Banana Island, you also happen to be the only land owner, so you can charge the police whatever you want to build on your property. You're also stupid enough to piss off the police, who will simply decide to buy land on another island, and leave you to fend off the angry banana field workers you're probably pissing off as well. But this all assumes that Banana Island is part of some nation. If Banana Island is independent, owned by you, then I guess this is all up to you. But don't try to equate the situation on Banana Island with the situation in the real world.

[Berzerker]

What I have gotten out of tbis thread is that Libertarianism = Thugocracy.

Yes, if we don't want the Odin's of the world using government to steal from us, we're the thugs...