Bush's visit to Britain

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by DanS
Interesting poll numbers...

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/...087545,00.html

They certainly are. It raises three key points-

1- As I've said all along, support for the Iraq action is very far from being a Left v Right issue.

2- Those claiming that the majority oppose Bush's visit don't have a lot to back that claim up.

3- It's The Guardian that's saying it. Not Fox News, CNN or anything tainted by Murdoch. The Guardian. Routinely denounced as part of the great leftist conspiracy by people who don't read it.

[MikeH]

It also counters The Viceroy's point that only a "tiny minority" don't want Bush to visit which is what I mainly took issue with.

Doesn't change the fact that asking whether a country is a "force for good" or a "force for evil" is a retarded question.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
There is a common "understanding" among all our European and Canadian friends here that Iraq is not going well and that Bush should have listened to Chirac and Shroeder. All this shows is that the media distortion of the facts concerning Iraq is pervasive in Europe and Canada.

Oddly enough, a leaked CIA memo agrees with them and not our lying President.

[MikeH]

Apparently the US media doesn't distort facts.

[Ned]

Che, I agree, the CIA memo and the MSNBC report seem to be at odds.

Are you saying you NOW believe the CIA?

[Ned]

HO, the problem about a fixed date for a US withdrawal is obvious: the war is not over.

So long as the government of Iraq wants us to help in that war, we should provide support.

[Jamski]

The government of Iraq is still on the run somewhere. The US haven't done very well finding Saddam heve they

-Jam

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by Ned
So long as the government of Iraq wants us to help in that war, we should provide support.

Viceroy Bremer: Hey, you want us to stay?
Viceroy Bremer: Sure, please, my home is your home...

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Oddly enough, a leaked CIA memo agrees with them and not our lying President.

The CIA is part of the vast leftwing conspiracy known under the codename "reality". But don't be afraid, the forces of lalaland are on the march....

[HershOstropoler]

Adam Smith:

"Iraq is a recent example of complete failure of existing diplomatic framework."

And an unfolding example of complete failure of delusional grandman willy waving.

"My point, again, is that I don't see exsiting alternatives working well."

What are you looking for? There is no perfect solution. There are solutions that suck, such that suck badly, and such that are desastrous. Take your pick.

"Flawed in what way?"

Flawed on the premise. Hidden motives usually comes around to bite you in the ass in politics.

"Examples? This appears to suffer from the basic group action problem."

So we should try to get our act together on working as a group.

"May also apply to Mugabe in Paris, in violation of EU travel ban, though who knows what the French interest was in permitting such a trip."

That one was odd, but Chirac is even worse a turd burglar than Blair.

"You seem to have forgotten that I began my initial post by saying that I am not at all pleased by US foreign policy."

And you asked for alternatives. I described an alternative where the chance for success might have been 10 or 20 %, rather than 1 %.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Che, I agree, the CIA memo and the MSNBC report seem to be at odds.

Are you saying you NOW believe the CIA?

When did I say I didn't? The CIA's been agreeing with me ever since Bush started his war mongering about Iraq. As an information gathering and analysis organization, the Agency is very good. It's the Black Ops that I don't like, since they tend to view anyone not cozying up to Hitler as a commie and worthy only of death and saw KGB agents behind every expression of a desire for freedom throughout the 3rd World.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
So long as the government of Iraq wants us to help in that war, we should provide support.

There is no government of Iraq. Jezus, Ned. Do you even think for yourself, or do you just regurgitate what the right-wing talk radio tells you?

[DanS]

Doesn't change the fact that asking whether a country is a "force for good" or a "force for evil" is a retarded question.

It is much less retarded than the Mayor of London thinking that Bush is "the greatest threat to life on the planet that we've most probably ever seen."

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=464783

OK, OK. He's radical left-of-center and shouldn't be listened to.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


There is no government of Iraq. Jezus, Ned. Do you even think for yourself, or do you just regurgitate what the right-wing talk radio tells you?

I was primarily referring to the elected government that is to take full charge and end the "Authority's" jurisdiction next summer. We can stay only if they ask us to stay.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DanS
OK, OK. He's radical left-of-center and shouldn't be listened to.

Hey!!!