thoughts on hypocrisy

[Buck Birdseed]

Originally posted by skywalker
* skywalker agrees with paiktis

All of your comments are good, but I'm still not seeing quite how hypocrisy itself is morally wrong. I understand that one of its components, doing something bad, is wrong, but I don't exactly see how you criticize someone by calling them a hypocrite. Wouldn't you criticize them by saying that they did bad stuff?

Well, for one you might not think the stuff they do is bad. The hellfire preacher who has a homosexual relationship isn't bad because of that particular aspect of their life...

[Imran Siddiqui]

So, can you tell us the Greek root for "kimono"?

[Dr Strangelove]

I loved that movie.

Perhaps Rush Limbaugh condemning drug abuse or Jimmy Swaggert condemning extramarital sex are two good examples of hypocrisy.

I am a hypocrite. There, I said it.

[Stefu]

I love using this image

I prefer this.

[NeOmega]

I am sorry, but that second poster does Anne Coulter a big favor. She is in reality a horse faced shock monkey.

A murderer has no right to say murder is bad, so yes, he would just be lumping himself with more "immorality" to make such statements.

Regarding morals:

The bible calls satan the "father of lies". Jesus only got angry with one group of people, the pharises, because of hypocrisy, and yet he loved a "morally bankrupt" prostitute.

Conservatives seem to hold up their "morals" on a pedestal, as if they have a monopoly on the definition. To me, morals are treating your fellow man with respect, any other definition is illogical.

[Buck Birdseed]

Well, if you go by Kantian morality all immoral acts are in fact hypocritical, at least if your morality follows Kant's own logic.

[Berzerker]

Ned -

As Ann Coulter noted, you can avoid being a hypocrite by having no morals. Does this imply also that a person who is not a hypocrite has no morals?

You can avoid being a hypocrite by having morals and not violating them too. But Coulter's argument is illogical, she used this "gem" of wisdom in defense of Limbaugh - a hypocrite (go figure, instead of criticising him she goes after other people) - in response to people who pointed out his hypocrisy. She argued the people who were going after Limbaugh turn a blind eye when liberal celebrities get addicted to drugs. No kidding Ann, they weren't condemning Limbaugh for using illegal drugs, they were poking fun at him for doing what he has condemned in the past.

So what's the difference between Limbaugh and these liberal celebrities with drug problems? Presumably, only Limbaugh has condemned illegal drug use, and only Limbaugh has made fun of addicts, and the liberal celebrities with addiction problems haven't as far as we know. It's no different that Jimmy Swaggart preaching against sexual "sin" only to get caught soliciting prostitutes. Liberals didn't go after Swaggart for hiring prostitutes, they went after him for preaching against prostitution while hiring prostitutes.

And Coulter makes the convenient assumption that while conservatives have morals and are therefore open to the charge of hypocrisy if they violate those morals, liberals have no morals when in fact they do. For example, look at the flack Howard Dean has been getting over the Confederate flag issue. What if a liberal member of Congress was caught discriminating based on race? Watch out, then we'd see which liberals were guilty of hypocrisy but undoubtedly some liberals would condemn the congressman. We found out many are guilty when they either defended Clinton's behavior or remained mute. Of course, I believe liberals and conservatives don't have a clue about the meaning of morality and I'm sure they feel the same way about me (but I'm right ).

Also, one can be hypocrite if one selectively condemns others. For example, one could condemn Clinton for molesting or harassing women and be a hypocrite for failing to condemn similar actions by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

And where was Ann? Criticising Clinton but not Arnie... She wasn't alone, lost of Repubs were quite vocal about Clinton and dismissive or apologetic of Arnie's escapades.

Also one would be hypocrite for defending Clinton and condemning Schwarzenegger when the conduct is essentially the same.

Yup, plenty of liberals were kissing Clinton's behind but when it came to Arnie, oh boy, he was disqualified from holding office.

If it is true that only Saints and the openly sinful are not hypocrites, if a person is not hypocrite then he is one or the other. Since Saints are extremely rare, is it not then generally true that a person who is not a hypocrite has no morals?

Nope, "sinners" can have morals, they just may not have the same morals as other people. Bill Bennett gambled lots of money, but he and his defenders said gambling was not a sin according to his religion (gee, I can be a murderer without sinning if my religion says so?). But gambling is sinful to other people, so does that mean Bennett has no morals? Btw, when Jesus was speaking against hypocrites who judge others, what were his words? "Before removing the speck from your brother's eye, first remove the plank from your own".

The hypocrite is worse than the sinner... And if you look at how Jesus behaved towards others, sinners were typically treated with respect while Jesus was constantly giving the hypocrites a tongue-lashing...

[Berzerker]

Oh, btw, Bill Bennett was guilty of hypocisy for gambling. You see, Bennett condemns drug use, not because every drug user hurts others, but because some do. The drug users who don't hurt others were immoral because of the other drug users who do hurt others. Using that same standard with gambling, Bennett didn't have to hurt others with his gambling, just the fact some gamblers do hurt others makes Bennett immoral (that's his standard). Michael Kinsley wrote an article explaining Bennett's hypocrisy and it went right over the head of Bill O'Reilly who was defending Bennett from the "witch hunters".

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Ned
Also, one can be hypocrite if one selectively condemns others. For example, one could condemn Clinton for molesting or harassing women and be a hypocrite for failing to condemn similar actions by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Also one would be hypocrite for defending Clinton and condemning Schwarzenegger when the conduct is essentially the same.

I think that's called a double standard, not hypocrisy.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Oh, btw, Bill Bennett was guilty of hypocisy for gambling. You see, Bennett condemns drug use, not because every drug user hurts others, but because some do. The drug users who don't hurt others were immoral because of the other drug users who do hurt others. Using that same standard with gambling, Bennett didn't have to hurt others with his gambling, just the fact some gamblers do hurt others makes Bennett immoral (that's his standard). Michael Kinsley wrote an article explaining Bennett's hypocrisy and it went right over the head of Bill O'Reilly who was defending Bennett from the "witch hunters".

I haven't looked closely at your argument, but it looks merely like an inconsistency, not hypocrisy.

[st_swithin]

Anyone know of any laws against hypocrisy?

[Boris Godunov]

There aren't laws against lying, per se, but that doesn't mean it isn't a despicable thing to do.

[Berzerker]

The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness

hypocrisy [Show phonetics]
noun [U]
when someone pretends to believe something that they do not really believe or that is the opposite of what they do or say at another time:
There's one rule for her and another rule for everyone else and it's sheer hypocrisy.

hypocrite [Show phonetics]
noun [C]
He's a hypocrite - he's always lecturing other people on the environment but he drives around in a huge great car.

hypocritical [Show phonetics]
adjective
Their accusations of corruption are hypocritical - they have been just as corrupt themselves.

UR -

I haven't looked closely at your argument, but it looks merely like an inconsistency, not hypocrisy.

Inconsistency is at the heart of hypocrisy.

[st_swithin]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
There aren't laws against lying, per se, but that doesn't mean it isn't a despicable thing to do.

Yeah, but what are the consequences of being thought despicable? Many who make a career of it are laughing all the way to the bank. I wish I could get rid of my conscience long enough to secure myself through my retirement.

[Boris Godunov]

What does it profit a man (or woman!) should s/he gain the world but lose his/her soul?

Boy, gender equity sure deflates eloquence...