Patriot Act used to go against american strip club owners and city councilmen. :q:

[Dis]

We all knew this would happen eventually. But the FBI has a thing against half-naked women. They have really be going after the owner of strip clubs in Las Vegas and San Diego. He is charged with bribing several city council members of both cities.

It's good to know the FBI is so concerned about half-naked women being given favourable judgements by city council over the safety of america from terrorist attack

Down with Ashcroft! Down with Bush!

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Nov-05-Wed-2003/news/22522169.html

[Nubclear]

Hmm. This is an obvious abuse of the patriot act.

But if it helps stop this filth from creeping into our cities....

[Dis]

filth?

strip clubs are good clean wholesome family fun

[NeOmega]

It'll be used in the drug war..... I mean c'mon! Even though it isn't for the drug war, look how many drug dealers we got off the streets,

Tax evaders,

Speeders,

Traitors,

Terrorists,

Murderers,

Arms dealers,

criminals......

[Sava]

I've come to the conclusion that the Patriot really isn't so bad, it's the Attorney General who is abusing the power it's granted. One might suggest that such power corrupts and shouldn't be given to the executive branch. But I'm an optimist who thinks we won't have such abuses when we get rid of those wanna-be-fascists.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Money laundering is and has been a VERY broad term. It cover an enormus sweep of finacila transaction that a lyman would not think it does. It can cover a banker failing to file some useless but required transaction report of a perfectly legal and in all aspects OK transaction, and, yes, some have been convicted just for that, back long before the Patriot Act. If you go to your bank twice or more and withdraw a sum totaling $10,000 or more to make a single purchase or other transaction, and do not file the currency transaction report, you have committed money laundering. Money lauding includes failure to report, as required BY ANY LAW, a 'cash' or banking transaction.

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
Money laundering is and has been a VERY broad term. It cover an enormus sweep of finacila transaction that a lyman would not think it does. It can cover a banker failing to file some useless but required transaction report of a perfectly legal and in all aspects OK transaction, and, yes, some have been convicted just for that, back long before the Patriot Act. If you go to your bank twice or more and withdraw a sum totaling $10,000 or more to make a single purchase or other transaction, and do not file the currency transaction report, you have committed money laundering. Money lauding includes failure to report, as required BY ANY LAW, a 'cash' or banking transaction.

These powers were not handed to ashcroft to convict or track money launderers, they are supposed to be using these "tools" against terrorists.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Congress is and has been aware for decades how broad "money laundering" is. Anyone of them who voted for the Act with powers to investigate money laundering knew that such powers could then be used with repect to almost every investigation involving money. Your beef on this issue is with Congress.
The boradness of the money lauding rules is, of course, to help the goverment seize funds and collect taxes.

[Az]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Hmm. This is an obvious abuse of the patriot act.

But if it helps stop this filth from creeping into our cities....

I hope you never get out of Utah, you primitive bastard.

[DinoDoc]

He is charged with bribing several city council members of both cities.

My heart bleeds for them man then.

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
Congress is and has been aware for decades how broad "money laundering" is. Anyone of them who voted for the Act with powers to investigate money laundering knew that such powers could then be used with repect to almost every investigation involving money. Your beef on this issue is with Congress.
The boradness of the money lauding rules is, of course, to help the goverment seize funds and collect taxes.

Well, since I have not voted on the poll yet, I will now vote "YES"

Because I, believe it or not, had not formed an opinion on the PATRIOT Act, allthough giving Ashcroft more tools seems horrendous to me, if it were top stop terrorism, I could be for it, IF IT WERE TO BE USED FOR TERRORISM INVESTIGATIONS ONLY. But since congress just made it a braodsword.....

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Azazel


I hope you never get out of Utah, you primitive bastard.

Just because I'm more enlightened than you are doesn't mean you have to be jealous

But I'm an optimist who thinks we won't have such abuses when we get rid of those wanna-be-fascists.

But everyone else knows otherwise

[Berzerker]

Why is anyone surprised? Government ALWAYS does this. Social Security numbers were supposed to be used only to keep track of accounts and now it's used for almost everything involving government and supposedly private banking accounts.

If you go to your bank twice or more and withdraw a sum totaling $10,000 or more to make a single purchase or other transaction, and do not file the currency transaction report, you have committed money laundering. Money lauding includes failure to report, as required BY ANY LAW, a 'cash' or banking transaction.

That's the drug war for you.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Why is anyone surprised? Government ALWAYS does this.

I should hope they investigate corruption of public officials.

[Jon Miller]

I am agaisnt corruption also

but Id on't like the patriot act, it is too open to abuse

Jon Miller