Why interventionalism has hurt recruiter efforts

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Dissident
I would say defend the U.S.- but we all know that is bull****. *cough* gulf war 2 *cough*

If you wanna cough, mention the first Gulf War, some numbers say the U.S. actually turned a profit on that one and our justification was that "this cannot stand" we cannot just let one soveriegn nation invade another. I mean if Iraq gets away with invading the Kuwait, who is to stop say, the U.S. from invading Iraq?

As far as teh mercenary comment...

How can a Mexcian national fighting in the U.S. army be anything but a mercenary?

[Jon Miller]

a draft is only needed if we are going to take on someone big

like NK or China

otherwise people will just be upset about it, there will be no feeling that hey are needed

JOn Miller

[Nubclear]

Not even Bush is stupid enough to reinstate the draft

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by NeOmega


How can a Mexcian national fighting in the U.S. army be anything but a mercenary?

How can someone post on a website and apparently have no brain?

[CerberusIV]

The point is that, under a draft, every economic group, every social class, men and women, would be given the opportunity to contribute to the defense of their country," he said.

This was what happened with the draft during the Vietnam War, yes?

Is the real issue the use of National Guard troops on extended tours? Is there any debate on this?

[axi]

The Roman army enlisted men for 20 years of service and promised them that at the end of the service, they would be given land to cultivate, in some part of the conquered provinces.

Perhaps you should do the same, but, since the desert is not suitable for agriculture, this should be modernised somewhat: Iraq veterans should be given claims for oil extraction, to start their own little Enrons and Halliburtons.

[Ned]

Originally posted by axi
The Roman army enlisted men for 20 years of service and promised them that at the end of the service, they would be given land to cultivate, in some part of the conquered provinces.

Perhaps you should do the same, but, since the desert is not suitable for agriculture, this should be modernised somewhat: Iraq veterans should be given claims for oil extraction, to start their own little Enrons and Halliburtons.

Why not just give them pensions?

But, AXI, you may have a point there. The Roman Army was at its best when they got to keep the spoils as their own. One could become rich if you had a commander like Caesar or Pompey.

Also, for a long time the Brit navy too could keep spoils. Thus they were very good fighters. Far better than if they had no stake in the outcome.

So, giving the US GI a share in the spoils in Iraq sounds like a plan.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Ok Specialist, for your service in Iraq you get half a goat. Which half do you want?

[Pekka]

Three words: American Foreign Legion. It WILL be the future anyway. The only question is when.

[Japher]

Isn't the U.S. army just paid to wage war?

Soldiers are paid to be soldiers... Even they need to eat, their children need clothes, etc...

People join the military for reasons apart from the pay. Many of the kids in school (HS) these days will end up faced with the decisions of joining an armed force or not. I don't think gauging the outcome of this decision on the attitude of a high school kid warrents any concern for a draft. Generally, HS kids are oblivious to the real world and the challenges it offers. Most will see the armed forces as a means to over come these obsticles.

I have known many people who have gone to school (university) and then went to the armed forces. As well, I have known many peopl who have joined after several years of struggling in the real world. Sadly, I think the state of the economy and the state of the world will force many into the armed forces... Some will do it from a sense of duty, others will do it for money, GI bills, secure job, etc... This, however, will only come once the vail of innocence is removed by handing them a HS diploma.

[Ned]

Hey, rather than goats, why not all the property of the terrorists they capture?

[Ned]

Talk about loot, these 17 have a court order for $1 billion for themselves. Joining the war can be profitable.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/10/international/middleeast/10POWS.html?th

"The Bush administration is seeking to block a group of American troops who were tortured in Iraqi prisons during the Persian Gulf war in 1991 from collecting any of the hundreds of millions of dollars in frozen Iraqi assets they won last summer in a federal court ruling against the government of Saddam Hussein.

In a court challenge that the administration is winning so far but is not eager to publicize, administration lawyers have argued that Iraqi assets frozen in bank accounts in the United States are needed for Iraqi reconstruction and that the judgment won by the 17 former American prisoners should be overturned."

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ned
Hey, rather than goats, why not all the property of the terrorists they capture?

Their field operators travel light. After all, they're on the way to see Allah. And who said anything about "capture?"

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ned
Talk about loot, these 17 have a court order for $1 billion for themselves. Joining the war can be profitable.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/10/international/middleeast/10POWS.html?th

"The Bush administration is seeking to block a group of American troops who were tortured in Iraqi prisons during the Persian Gulf war in 1991 from collecting any of the hundreds of millions of dollars in frozen Iraqi assets they won last summer in a federal court ruling against the government of Saddam Hussein.

In a court challenge that the administration is winning so far but is not eager to publicize, administration lawyers have argued that Iraqi assets frozen in bank accounts in the United States are needed for Iraqi reconstruction and that the judgment won by the 17 former American prisoners should be overturned."

Tell you what - you want to retroactively trade places with any of them?

Nice that they're getting ****ed over by this admin, though.

[chequita guevara]

Man, this administration is just doing everything it can to piss off the military and intelligence community short of mooning them.