Guantánamo Bay

[Space05us]

You mean by "children" the younger *******s carrying weapons and fighting in an unlawful combatant organization?

The ones that wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger on their Kalashnikovs and sending your infidel asses to meet your Maker? These weren't exactly your average schoolkids.

sorry oedo, but as soon as a kid picks up a gun and points it at a soldier they become combatants, and I agree with MtG on that.

[Space05us]

everyone has to be considered as an innocent as long his guilt hasn´t been proven. I thought you know that, MtG. these children (and all the other inmates as well) haven´t been even accused, yet.

in war no one is innocent, and those 'children' are considered dangerous just like the rest of the people there.

[oedo]

please provide any link, before you make any statemants like these. and at least the children should be treated as POWs. who says that they haven´t been tortured or set under drugs before they were forced to join the taliban? just like the children soldiers in Africa.

[Space05us]

a brainwashed person is still responsible for his/her actions, especially when it comes to life or death decisions. If they pull out a gun, then they have the right to recieve a bullet in the head, the fact that they are being detained instead should be looked upon as us being nice.

and what do you want a link to?

[oedo]

Originally posted by Space05us
a brainwashed person is still responsible for his/her actions, especially when it comes to life or death decisions.

an innocent person as well?

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/usa-190803-action-eng

and what do you want a link to?

since you state all these evil things the children are said to have done, I´d like to know where you got all this knowledge from.
from what I´ve heard the US gov keeps silence about the inmates. if you know more, feel free to share your top secret stuff.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by oedo



everyone has to be considered as an innocent as long his guilt hasn´t been proven. I thought you know that, MtG. these children (and all the other inmates as well) haven´t been even accused, yet.

These "children" were captured in combat operations, vetted extensively in Afghanistan like all other prisoners, and of about 30,000 prisoners taken and examined, we've grabbed about 600 to ship to Gitmo, including a very few "children." About 98% of the prisoners we handled were classed as POWs, and about 2% as unlawful combatants. So sorry if I don't shead any tears over these "innocent" "children."

[Space05us]

since you state all these evil things the children are said to have done, I´d like to know where you got all this knowledge from.
from what I´ve heard the US gov keeps silence about the inmates. if you know more, feel free to share your top secret stuff.

yeah they're just picking up teenagers off the street just for the hell of it right?

an innocent person as well?

sorry, Im missing the part where it proves he is innocent. If the military is detaining these people I highly doubt its "just because".

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by oedo

an innocent person as well?

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/usa-190803-action-eng

since you state all these evil things the children are said to have done, I´d like to know where you got all this knowledge from.
from what I´ve heard the US gov keeps silence about the inmates. if you know more, feel free to share your top secret stuff.

Funny that in a country as impoverished as Afghanistan, where the Taleban outlawed cameras and film, that they'd have a color photograph of someone arrested only shortly after the US invasion, before things like film, film processing, and cameras were available to the locals. So the question would be, who is that guy really in the photo, or how was a "random taxi driver" significant enough to warrant anyone bothering to take a photo of him before his arrest, presumably someplace other than Afghanistan, or with some form of Taleban approval.

Taxi drivers have been a common cover for couriers in the intel business for decades. They go all over the place, and pick up and drop off all sorts of people, without raising any particular notice.

Since we did extensive interrogations of these people in country before deciding what to do with them, it is kind of odd that we'd waste the time and effort on some clueless innocent schlump. We've spit out a very small number of those, and most were detained because of similarities in name and description to other wanted characters.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Space05us

sorry, Im missing the part where it proves he is innocent. If the military is detaining these people I highly doubt its "just because".

Well try this on for size.

One former inmate recently interviewed by Australian TV in Afghanistan after his release was a taxi driver who was turned in by unscrupulous people seeking bounty payments.

He also was anti Taliban, pro U.S. and kept a TV and a stock of Hollywood films - his favorite being Titanic - throughout the Taliban period. This could have earned him a death sentence. He was flogged by the Taliban for playing music in his taxi.

It took him about a year to convince the GITMO investigators he was not a terrorist

So much for MTG's "careful vetting"

In spite of all of this, he's STILL pro U.S

[MichaeltheGreat]

If you don't like the treatment they're getting, next time, get off your arses and you Ozzies can get your own prisoners to coddle.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


Well try this on for size.

One former inmate recently interviewed by Australian TV in Afghanistan after his release was a taxi driver who was turned in by unscrupulous people seeking bounty payments.

He also was anti Taliban, pro U.S. and kept a TV and a stock of Hollywood films - his favorite being Titanic - throughout the Taliban period. This could have earned him a death sentence. He was flogged by the Taliban for playing music in his taxi.

It took him about a year to convince the GITMO investigators he was not a terrorist

So much for MTG's "careful vetting"

In spite of all of this, he's STILL pro U.S

Did I ever tell you about my affair with Bill Clinton? It's true, all of it. Pay me for the rights and I tell you.

Oh, and I just got an email from a poor widow from Zimbabwe who wants me to help her get 63 million out of that country.



Just because someone claims it, don't make it true.

[Alexander's Horse]

So presumably you are now claiming they let a terrorist go?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Maybe the guy had his cover story so wired tight they couldn't get anything out of him. Maybe they did get hosed and get the wrong guy. Maybe the guy in the story was shacking up with his girlfriend on the side or got too drunk at the pub and really got lost, and he's using being detained at Gitmo as an excuse to cover for coming home a year late.

Who knows? Am I going to use that story, with no idea as to the agenda of the interviewers or interviewee, to suddenly assume that everyone of those poor souls in Gitmo is a sweet, innocent little lamb who is wrongly detained. Not bloody likely.

[Alexander's Horse]

a. don't change the subject

b. you can't have it both ways

c. when hoisted on your own petard, don't forget to wave.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Did I tell you about my affair with Bill Clinton?

a) I'm not changing the subject. I have no way to judge the reliability of the guy's claims, nor do you or most other people, maybe even those who interviewed him.
And yeah, if some countries that whine about these poor people put that energy into knocking over ******* dictatorial terrorist supporting regimes instead, they could have their own prisoners to deal with, and stop whining about ours.

b) I'm sure there's more than even two ways to have it.

c) If that ever happens, I won't.