Is profit different from unfair tax? Part 2

[Kuciwalker]

Kidicious - if you want supply and demand to apply, why are you complicating things by having the GOVERNMENT determine it? Do you have some faith in the efficiency of the GOVERNMENT?

[JohnT]

[Kid]

It's not the government, it's the planners, stupid. Read your Marx!

[/Kid]

[The Andy-Man]

I think kid is a capitalist under the bed

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by The Andy-Man
So, when there is a high demand for something (like food), it gets put up the priority list, ie receives more input from the economy to produce more output to fill the demand. Isn't this what happens already?

You don't move things up on the priority list because the price goes up. The priorities basically remain unchanged. If prices increase for high priority goods and services certainly more should be produced, but if prices increase for low priority goods more production is not so certain. The difference with the way things are now is that goods and services are produced for those able to pay. In the new system ability to pay will not be a prerequisite for high priority goods, because those oods will be produced in sufficient quantity.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by skywalker
Kidicious - if you want supply and demand to apply, why are you complicating things by having the GOVERNMENT determine it? Do you have some faith in the efficiency of the GOVERNMENT?

Depends on which government. The US government is efficient when it has adequate resources.

[Kuciwalker]

Depends on which government. The US government is efficient when it has adequate resources.

No, it is effective when it has adequate resources. It isn't efficient.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by skywalker

Depends on which government. The US government is efficient when it has adequate resources.

No, it is effective when it has adequate resources. It isn't efficient.

Have you ever worked in government?

[Kuciwalker]

Kid - does it matter (no and no)? Anyone who claims our government is efficient is clearly insane.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by skywalker
Kid - does it matter (no and no)? Anyone who claims our government is efficient is clearly insane.

It does matter. If you worked in government or you knew people who did you would probably feel different. I was in the US Navy and I found it to be as efficient as any business and I have friends and family who work for both the US and California govt.

[Kuciwalker]

The military != the government. The military is a whole different ball game, because they are structured differently and, most importantly, have an internally selected hierarchy.

[Kuciwalker]

Kid - I'm going to work from the ground up.

First question: do you believe people have a right to property?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by skywalker
The military != the government.

Whatever.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by skywalker
Kid - I'm going to work from the ground up.

First question: do you believe people have a right to property?

Yes. Next question.

[Kuciwalker]

If I have a right to property, then how is rent exploitive? I am giving you the CHOICE whether or not to accept a contract in which you pay me every so often in return for a piece of my property. I do not force you to accept the contract, so if you find the terms of the contract exploitive, don't accept them. If you do it of your own free will, it is your fault if you are "exploited".

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by skywalker
If I have a right to property, then how is rent exploitive? I am giving you the CHOICE whether or not to accept a contract in which you pay me every so often in return for a piece of my property. I do not force you to accept the contract, so if you find the terms of the contract exploitive, don't accept them. If you do it of your own free will, it is your fault if you are "exploited".

We've been over this. People with property have more choices than people without property in a capitalist system. The result is that the system rewards people with property more. It's simple to me. If you don't see it that way then fine. I will have to accept the fact that I can't change your mind. I'm going to do a bit of studying now.