Is profit different from unfair tax? Part 2

[Kuciwalker]

1. You are right... sort of... the motivation of profit encourage lower costs. Unfortunately... this means if you aren't a corporate CEO or business owner, you don't reap the rewards. This means job cuts, quality cuts, so some fat cat can enjoy a few more millions. Hardly "efficient".

Well, the company that cuts jobs and quality (assuming this makes them more efficient in terms of both production and actual sales) and uses the extra money to pay the CEO will either a) get a better-qualified CEO to run their company, so they will then become MORE efficient, or b) lose out to some company that uses the money for other stuff.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by JohnT

It doesn’t matter that Ming closed the thread only by pronouncing case closed.

Kid, this is what we talk about when we mention your simple avoidance of the facts. Ming closed the thread because it was over 500 posts in length. Period. He closes all threads over 500 posts in length.

No. He closes some later than others. This I know all too well.

[Kuciwalker]

2. Because government programs are intentionally sabotaged by underfunding, and then fail, the aura of government inefficiency is created.

I left out the other part because it was complete BS

Anyway, why would government control of the economy not be subject to the same political effects (deliberate sabotage, etc)? It would be MORE subject to it, in fact (look at farm subsidies).

[JohnT]

Because he's online, 24/7, ever vigiliant, never stopping in his moderating duties, not to sleep, eat, make love, or work, Ming is always on the job ready to close threads at a second notice.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious


No. He closes some later than others. This I know all too well.

He can only be on so often. Poor kiddy-widdy, is he sad that big bad Ming closes his thready-weady and is out to get him?

(note: if you understood that post, I fear for you sanity )

[rah]

Arggggg, I was hoping when Ming closed it. (BECAUSE IT REACHED 500 POSTS) that it would be done. But nooooo. 500 posts later Kid still hasn't listened to anything and the rest of us are still repeating and frustrating ourselves. I should close this thread just to keep everyone's sanity, but I won't. (MTG would probably open it back up because he's even more stuborn than I am) I thought about saving you all, but you must follow your own destiny. 500 more posts that make sense will NOT budge Kid one milimeter. You can't argue with unthinking fanatics and hope to change their mind. By definition, it can't be done.

You've been warned.

RAH
Embarassed to admit that he too got sucked into the last one.

[JohnT]

I thought about saving you all, but you must follow your own destiny. 500 more posts that make sense will NOT budge Kid one milimeter. You can't argue with unthinking fanatics and hope to change their mind.

It sharpens the mind for the corporate political games to follow in their careers.

And I will say that this thread has provided us with the funniest Sava quote in months, possibly ever. For that reason alone it needs entry into the Thread Hall of Fame.

[Kidlicious]

Re: Re: Is profit different from unfair tax? Part 2

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


The fallacy in your whole argument, whether this example or any other, is that you assume that there is one and only one way for you to acquire the necessary whatever it is, and that is to submit to whatever the Evil Capitalist^TN requires as a condition of your using the Evil Capitalist's stuff.

The fallacy in your argument is that if there were a better choice for me to make that I would not choose it. You think that everyone who doesn't profit from the capitalist system is making an irrational choice for themselves. You always think there is some better choice for them to make for themselves. There isn't MtG. Accept it.

[Kuciwalker]

The fallacy in your argument is that if there were a better choice for me to make that I would not choose it. You think that everyone who doesn't profit from the capitalist system is making an irrational choice for themselves. You always think there is some better choice for them to make for themselves. There isn't MtG. Accept it.

If it is your best choice and you still think it is exploitive, hold out for better. Or choose an entirely different arena to play in.

[The Andy-Man]

kid won't let it rest will he.

You atleast have to find his stamina admirable.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Re: Re: Re: Is profit different from unfair tax? Part 2

Originally posted by Kidicious


The fallacy in your argument is that if there were a better choice for me to make that I would not choose it.

I hope you would, but I wonder sometimes... You're the one who contrives scenarios that exclude a number of typical and viable options, not me.

Tell me this, though - are you still working in the same job, at the same pay, as the first ever job you held? Or have you made some "better choices" along the way? And why are you studying accounting, instead of sitting on your ass smoking dope or collecting stamps or doing taxidermy or working a part time extra job at Mickey D's? I assume you're studying accounting for a reason? And that you made a choice to do so, and that you picked accounting for a reason?

You think that everyone who doesn't profit from the capitalist system is making an irrational choice for themselves.

English comprehension, assumption or distortion? I've said they make a choice, I don't put a value judgement on that. The point is, they make choices.

You always think there is some better choice for them to make for themselves. There isn't MtG. Accept it.

So you're still working at your first job, for the same wages you made then? And I'm still working as a scab laborer in residential construction, making minimum wage. Ok then. "One pill makes you larger, one pill makes you small; and the ones that mother gives you, don't do anything at all..."

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by The Andy-Man
kid won't let it rest will he.

You atleast have to find his stamina admirable.

Yeah, and if he'd apply it to a proper capitalist endeavor, he'd go far with it, assuming he got his mind right.

[Japher]

Bump!!

Seriously.

Kid if you want to continue to whine about how it's "unfair" then your in for a really long life. Instead, if you would study the game and learn to play it you will not only discover that it is fun but also fair. Life is about rewards, get your own...

[MichaeltheGreat]

Re: Is profit different from unfair tax? Part 2

Originally posted by Kidicious
Let’s say that the capitalist made equal sacrifices. Say he worked in his own business just as one of his employees, and he spent the same amount of his compensation on living. That is, he lived just as modestly as the his employee. The capitalist received the full benefit of his own work while collecting part of the benefit of his employees work. His worker only receives the full benefit of his own work minus the amount that the capitalist has collected in profit from employee’s work.

You're right, it's absolutely unfair. The worker is guaranteed certain things by law, like getting paid, and the worker is free to go at any time to any competing job without notice. The poor capitalist owner is the one who sucks it up if there's financial problems, so he might go without pay if he needs the worker's services, or he loses his ass if the business goes under, while the worker just goes to another job.

The owner is the one who spends uncompensated time doing overhead tasks that don't produce revenue, and he's not guaranteed a profit by anyone, while the worker has contract rights to his wages while he works - the owner doesn't even have that, necessarily.

So damn straight the owner should make more for the additional time, effort and risk he puts in.

[Q Classic]

as to the original question, the answer is still yes, they are different.