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    EU poll sees Israel as peace threat

    Chris McGreal
    Monday November 3, 2003
    The Guardian

    A European commission opinion poll that claims 60% of Europeans see Israel as the greatest threat to world peace has drawn outraged denunciations of anti-semitism.
    The poll surveyed 7,500 people in 15 EU countries who said Israel was a bigger threat to world peace than Iran, North Korea and the US.

    The public in the Netherlands, Austria and Luxembourg were the most fearful. France, which Israel views with the greatest suspicion of any EU state, did not rank the Jewish state as the greatest danger.

    Israel's diaspora affairs minister, the former Soviet dissident Natan Sharansky, said the poll was further evidence of why Europe is not to be trusted to play a role in the peace process.

    "The fact that the majority of Europeans sees Israel as the main danger ... is additional proof that behind the 'political' criticism of Israel stands pure anti-semitism.

    "The EU, which shows sensitivity on human rights issues, would do well to stop the rampant brainwashing against and demonising of Israel before Europe deteriorates again to dark sections of its past."

    But a former head of Israel's foreign ministry, Alon Liel, said Israelis would be wise to consider why Europeans might think that way. "Do they hate us or are they truly frightened? Our natural predilection is to pull out of the drawer our usual weapon of self-defence - the weapon of anti-semitism - but this is probably the wrong place to do so."


    Maybe it's just because the US would have had just as many excuses to invade Israel as it did Iraq for all the UN resolutions it daily breaks and has done so for the last several decades...

    Or the fact that it is acting as a catalyst and excuse for muslim fundamentalism and terrorism which could result in major loss of life somewhere in Europe in the near future...

    Actually there are a bunch of reasons why we might think that Israel's actions are greatly destabilising the world - and yes, in the global arena it is contributing to this arena in a far greater way than NK. Though I am sure a South Korean or Japanese might disagree with me...

    So stop with this anachronistic holocaust excuse of 'anti-semitism' and as Alon Liel says think about why we think like this and do something constructive about it!
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  • #2
    i don't see how distrusting a governement that is known for not respecting the human rights of one of its minorites can be labelled antisemitism...

    and as far as the dark sections of our past go, i strongly suggest that the israeli governement looks at its dark sections of the present ...
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    • #3
      btw, i am not and will never be an antisemite... therefore i don't like to be called one just for having a critical point of view on the current state of affairs in the ME
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      • #4
        being anti-israel does not equal being anti-semitic. in this case of mass movements, however, such as the european dislike of israel, we can assume that a high percentage of anti-israeli europeans are so because of anti-semitism.

        that is unless you europeans who claim americans are racist against arabs rescind what has been claimed as racism.
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        • #5
          "however, such as the european dislike of israel, we can assume that a high percentage of anti-israeli europeans are so because of anti-semitism."

          If you assumed that it would show an amazing lack of understanding about Europeans. We mostly don't care about religion at all, but we do care about what we see as foriegn governments doing bad stuff.
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          • #6
            You can't assume that. Or you can, but it's not exactly reliable result. Disliking someones foreign policy does not make anyone racist. Period.

            I'm not excluding that there are no anti-semitists in Europe, because there are. 60%? Un ****ing likely.
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            • #7
              that is unless you europeans who claim americans are racist against arabs rescind your claims of american racism
              (edited to be more clear)

              cough...
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              • #8
                Israel has weapons of mass destruction, lots of them
                Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

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                • #9
                  ...I seriously do not understand why there are so many people anti-semites but not anti-french or anti-dutch or anti-chiristian or anti-anything....where is all that hate coming from?
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                  • #10
                    Don't understand? That's because you're blinded by your hatred towards other people that is not Euro.
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                    • #11
                      what i dont HATE americans......i just think they are sad to be so stupid...i just heard stories that kids started to flush there petfishs through the toilet after seeing Finding Nemo...way to go america.......no seriously i understand why people are hating them but i think it is stupid and well i dont UNDERSTAND IT....
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                      • #12
                        I hate no man. I kill without passion. I lust without love. Pain can not destroy me, or slow me down. Emotions are not obstacle to me. That's why I will always prevail and everyone else will fall before me.

                        So what does this all mean? It means, that even if Israel has WMDs, even if Bush almost choked on pretzel and even when Berlusconi called some German guy a nazi.. I don't hate them. Because I know I'm superior to them all. Why should I have feelings for the lower people, I have better things to do. Let them fight over the crumbles that I leave for them, for I am the master! Who disagrees with me can DIE without honour.
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                        • #13
                          Bunnies!
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                          • #14
                            Israel has not been a war with a foreign power for a long time. There are issues with how it treats the Palestinians, but there are also issue with how many countries treat their minorities(particularly Russia in how it deals with Chechnya). This poll seems to be indicative of some irrational prejudice....
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                            • #15
                              well FU everyone. ****ing anti.europe mofos.
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