Reagan

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Ned
Churchill had a saying that went something like this. If a man in his twenties was not a liberal, he had no heart. If a man in his thirties was not a conservative, he had no brain.

Yup, and he used that quote to justify switching parties once his career was over with the Liberals -- and over largely because he was such a f*ck up.

Churchill was a great wartime leader and a very witty man, but a look at his career beyond WWII reveals failure after failure, dotted with "successes" of a truly dubious nature (for example, being the first person ever to order the aerial bombardment of a civilian population for "pacification" during peacetime). I'd trust his taste in brandy and cigars, but you'd have to be a fool to look at his life and still trust his political judgment.

[TheStinger]

Reagan was Mrs Thatchers poodle

[Q Classic]

yeah, i know that, imran. gorby didn't come into power until like 83 or 84, iirc. maybe it was 86? i could look it up, but i don't wanna. the point remains, though, that gorby was a paper bear, not much of a threat to the us. by that time, neither was the soviet union, outside of those nukes.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
although if you look at his record on economic or foreign policy it isn't much better than Jimmy Carter.

Economic record—you mean inflation going down by two thirds, unemployment going down by half, overall growth rate increasing despite the S&L fiasco, and the first major revitalization of the stock markets since 1929??

If that was done by delivering his lines, bring on the orators. If policy had something to do with it, bring on the Republicans.

Foreign policy? You mean Carter going to Moscow and kissing Brezhnev's arse, or Reagan telling them to kiss his? You play the hand you're dealt, and Carter folded with a three of a kind instead of drawing for the full house, and not because he thought the Soviets had a straight flush, but because he thought the Soviets would react poorly to losing.

After Sadat was assassinated has there been any real progress in the Middle East? No, because there is nobody like Sadat on the Muslim side any more. Now it's all Arafat with a little bit of Syria and Iran thrown in (the Saudis trying to appear "neutral").

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


Einstein was a communist.

No he wasn't. He was a capitalist. He might have believed in Communism* but his actions, earnings, and life are safely capitalistic.

*And I'm not too sure about that, but I don't care to research it.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by TheStinger
Reagan was Mrs Thatchers poodle

An interesting argument -- how would you support it?

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Ned
Is there any hope of a cure, or is the brain damage irreversible?

Ramo's? Irreversible. Just read his words, man!

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Odin
Reagan's policies drove my family to near poverty. My fammily has always done well under dems and goes down the drain when the repugs are in power. Supply-side econommics is just sucking up to Big Business in disguise. His religious fundimentalism and the crap he pulled supporting tinpot dictators, like Saddam. Reagan is the 2nd worst president of the century, just behind Hoover.

Detail, details! What did your family do? How were they ruined? What did Reagan do to cause your families ruination? Just asserting that it is so doesn't exactly convince.

My father and stepmother were thrown out of work by Reagan's Justice department in the 1984 ATT desision - 5 years later, the bankrupt, slightly-lost person that was my father at the beginning of the Reagan years was now owner of a company generating $4,000,000 in revenue and (going by what Christmas was like in 1990 - ) a pretty good profit. And he was doing the same job that he got tossed out of in 1984.

Oddly enough, I don't ascribe any of this to Reagan, other than the confident, optimistic leadership that he provided. However, the US was a far better overall position in 1989 than in 1979, both globally and internally and you cannot give the reigning president none of the credit, well, I guess you can if you're a zealot.

[orange]

negative 74.

[rah]

Yeah, I guess you had to live during that time to appreciate what he accomplished. The country had lost faith in itself. He got it back. That has to count against some of the mistakes he made.

[Q Classic]

the two biggest things i remember during the 80s were the challenger kablooey and the seoul olympics.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Ned
Churchill had a saying that went something like this. If a man in his twenties was not a liberal, he had no heart. If a man in his thirties was not a conservative, he had no brain.

quoting famous men doesnt make a man any wiser.

[Q Classic]

'specially since you can do it by copy-paste.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by JohnT


No he wasn't. He was a capitalist. He might have believed in Communism* but his actions, earnings, and life are safely capitalistic.

*And I'm not too sure about that, but I don't care to research it.

Well, your right when you say he wasn't a communst per say. However his beliefs were all very centered around socialism.
In fact, I think the FBI has over 1,000 pages concerning this.

[JohnT]

Are you telling me to trust the records of J. Edgar Hoover? My, how lowly the US Communists must've become if they're using him as a witness.