6 months and NO Weapons of Mass Destruction

[HershOstropoler]

"No nation has filed any formal grievence of any kind."



At the salt office, presumably.... oh my, admiral clueless...

[Ned]

Re: Powell. He had photos, diagrams of mobile labs, and intercepted phone calls. Were these lies? No. The problem appears to be is that the evidence was ambiguous. There was no definite proof of what the evidence showed, one way or the other.

Now, add in Saddam's history. He once had the weapons and had used them. Anyone who has not seen the dead Iranian soldiers has to be in a state of denial.

Under the Clinton regime, everyone, US and UN, had concluded that he still had materials to create chemical and bio weapons and was not being cooperative in demonstrating what happened to these materials.

In response to 1441, he still did not explain where these materials were and refused to cooperate by threatening the scientists who could verify what had happened to the materials.

Since the invasion, we have not found stockpiles of chemical and weapons. It is not clear whether we have found the materials to make weapons, although we did find the "bio" labs. We also found labs and other R&D facilities intended to make chemical and bio weapons.

I have seen news reports that the entire alleged stockpile could be hidden in two garages. Rumsfeld has made the point that we have found Saddam's air force buried under the sand. If the chemical or bio weapons, or their precursor materials, are buried under the sand, we are not going to find them unless someone who knows where they are tells us.

Since the war, two scientists who began to cooperate with us have been attacked. One died. Saddam is still alive. The Fedayeen remains active. The Ba'athists remain loyal to Saddam and hostile to the US. The people who are happy to have the old regime gone, the vast majority of the people, are not the Ba'athist, are not the Fedayeen and are not the foreign reinforcements. The people cannot help us find the buried treasure.

IIRC, the threats Bush said were most troubling were the threats to give the chemical or bio weapons to terrorists who would then use them against the US. Bush did not say that Saddam would launch nuclear missiles against the US.

A large al Qaeda ally terrorist base did exist in Iraq. It was overrun, but the terrorists fled to Iran. They have now returned and have joined with the Ba'athists. In addition, Osama bin Laden has asked that his fighters go to Iraq and join the fight. Clearly there is a loose aliance at the least between al Qaeda and Saddam. Given that Saddam did have materials at one time and given that he did have illegal weapons programs, the threat against America was real.

The fact that Saddam is no longer in power has significantly lessened the threat.

[KrazyHorse]

"He had diagrams"

I love it.

[GhengisFarb™]

Don't laugh!

Ross Perot had diagrams..........

[PLATO]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler
"No nation has filed any formal grievence of any kind."



At the salt office, presumably.... oh my, admiral clueless...

Well actually I think the UN or The Hague is the place most file complaints about illegal international activity. The reason why they haven't? Because no illegal activity took place. You are taking you moral judgement and trying to place legal weight to it. If it was possible to do that do you think that the entire world would overlook that? (except you of course!) The reason that they cannot is because the action was legal General(ly) Clueless.

[Ned]

So far, the diagrams have proven to be accurate.

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by PLATO


Well actually I think the UN or The Hague is the place most file complaints about illegal international activity.

Oh, you think? Wow. Well, think again. You don't file formal complaints in international law if there is no predefined jurisdiction. You don't need to file any formal complaint to express an opinio iuris as a state. Rambling in the SC is a prefectly legitimate way to do it.

There was no motion for resolution in the SC as it was certain to be vetoed, and neither the ICC nor the ICJ (whatever you mean by "the hague") have jurisdiction. What, they don't teach that at your highschool?

That you claim I'm the only one to state that position can only be attributed to overdosing on Fox "news".

[Q Classic]

ends do not justify means.

the end result of dethroning saddam, good.
alienating a good portion of the rest of the world's leaders? bad.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Remember, these are Neo-conservatives. The oil doesn't mean much to them. They are much more interested in the influence a democratic Iraq can wield on Mid-East politics. It's basically a long term goal to attempt to make the Mid-East a bit more friendly (even though in the short term the ME would be less friendly).

Why would they want the ME to be friendly if it weren't for the oil? I understand the power politics part, but why the ME? What's the purpose? Why not, say, sub-Sahara Africa?

[Ned]

UR, I think the neo-conservatives are interested in eliminating WMD from hostile countries or eliminating the hostile countries that refuse to eliminate WMD. 9/11 is not forgotten.

[Nubclear]

A ch'im un pinnara, i kangsan ungum e,
Chawon do kaduk han samch'olli,
Arumdaun nae choguk,
Panmannyon oraen ryoksa
E ch'allan han munhwa ro charanan
Sulgiroun inmin ui i yonggwang.
Mom gwa mam ta pach'yo,
I, choson kiri pattuse.

Ch'al paektusan kisang ul ta anko.
Kullo ui chongsin un kitturo.
Chilli ro mungch'yo jin oksen ttut
On segye apso nagari.
Sonnun him nodo do naemiro,
Inmin ui ttus uro son nara.
Han opsi pugang hanun
I choson kiri pinnaese.

[Q Classic]

tass, do you have any idea what that means?

[Nubclear]

Let morning shine on the silver and gold of this land,
Three thousand leagues packed with natural wealth.
My beautiful fatherland.
The glory of a wise people
Brought up in a culture brilliant
With a history five millennia long.
Let us devote our bodies and minds
To supporting this Korea forever.

The firm will, bonded with truth,
Nest for the spirit of labour,
Embracing the atmosphere of Mount Paektu,
Will go forth to all the world.
The country established by the will of the people,
Breasting the raging waves with soaring strength.
Let us glorify forever this Korea,
Limitlessly rich and strong.

[Vandal-1]

I have posted on this war many times and have maintained that there is no military solution to what is fundementaly a political problem (cultural problem).
The motivation of US leadership is in question and rightfully so as there has no demonstratably legitimate cause (i.e. evidence ) to support a WMD arguement despite what most reasonable people would consider ample time. I propose that all our ideas of democracy are mislead and the notion that we are supported in that cause is bull****.Saddam was but a baron amoung the cardinals.he is gone and they remain.Do you really buy that they are going to support the usurpment of there office for a demecracy which is really just a fascade for rescource exploitation. I know that is where the pressure has been applied amoung the moslems;I believe they are the head of the snake.

[Q Classic]

bravo, tass!

who translated it for you? the romanization's kinda funny in it, but oh well.