The Mac Forum drama - reasonable thread

[Spiffor]

Well, I was fully unaware of the whole Mac Forum drama that happened last week. I have just read the related threads in the Mac forum and in the community forum.

I think Ming was right in his handling of the whole drama, as the Mac forum is supposed to be Civ related, and not tech-related. I fully agree with Locutus' point of view, when he says this action will probably turn the Mac forum in what it was before July (that is, mostly Civ related).

I think it's sad Asher had it completely his way, because it was a real manipulative scheme indeed: magnify the tech-related spam and then call nanny to have it stop (and get away with it completely unscathed). However, Ming did his job in closing the techie threads and disciplining the forum.

However whiny he was on the issue, I think Agathon has a point regarding the Mac discussions in the OT. It is true that Asher trolls these threads systematically, and as such it is impossible for mac users to have a reasonable discussion about their favorite system with such noise. I understand Ming when he says that the pro-Bush don't get to have the anti-Bush silenced. But the anti-Bush don't manage to entirely prevent a serious discussion about Bush policies. I think Agathon has a point when he asks Ming to monitor mac-related threads in the OT in the exact same way as other threads. It's too bad his bitterness didn't make the point more clear

[The Mad Monk]

Is Agathon still gone?

[Spiffor]

His profile says he hasn't posted since Ming's thread in the Mac forum, a week ago.

[DinoDoc]

Who cares? If we aren't able to spam the Dinosaurs forum why should they be able to spam the Mac forum?

[Frozzy]

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[DinoDoc]

Contact!

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Who cares? If we aren't able to spam the Dinosaurs forum why should they be able to spam the Mac forum?

Well, I don't think they should be able to spam the Mac forum either. Locutus hinsights are the best in this regard IMHO.

But the fact that techie discussions have moved from the OT to the Mac Forum didn't just come from the hunt for +1. According to Drake and Agathon (who sure were full of hate), the Mac Forum had 1-2 posts a day before Asher started the flame frenzy. It hardly qualifies as a spamming spree.

[The Mad Monk]

Spiffor, you're still missing one piece of the story.

[ixnay]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Spiffor, you're still missing one piece of the story.

ahahahahahahahahaha

[Kuciwalker]

Re: The Mac Forum drama - reasonable thread

Originally posted by Spiffor
I think Ming was right in his handling of the whole drama, as the Mac forum is supposed to be Civ related, and not tech-related. I fully agree with Locutus' point of view, when he says this action will probably turn the Mac forum in what it was before July (that is, mostly Civ related).

Agree completely. It was the correct course of action.

I think it's sad Asher had it completely his way, because it was a real manipulative scheme indeed: magnify the tech-related spam and then call nanny to have it stop (and get away with it completely unscathed). However, Ming did his job in closing the techie threads and disciplining the forum.

I don't see anything wrong with it. Asher was a) subjected to a lot of abuse from Agathon and Drake and b) was PERFECTLY within his rights to report a rules violation.

However whiny he was on the issue, I think Agathon has a point regarding the Mac discussions in the OT. It is true that Asher trolls these threads systematically, and as such it is impossible for mac users to have a reasonable discussion about their favorite system with such noise. I understand Ming when he says that the pro-Bush don't get to have the anti-Bush silenced. But the anti-Bush don't manage to entirely prevent a serious discussion about Bush policies. I think Agathon has a point when he asks Ming to monitor mac-related threads in the OT in the exact same way as other threads. It's too bad his bitterness didn't make the point more clear

Asher's point is that they AREN'T having a reasonable discussion - it has only one side of the issue and is pretty much circle-jerk (a new term to add to my vocabulary ).

[Urban Ranger]

Re: Re: The Mac Forum drama - reasonable thread

Originally posted by skywalker
I don't see anything wrong with it. Asher was a) subjected to a lot of abuse from Agathon and Drake and b) was PERFECTLY within his rights to report a rules violation.

He started the flame-fest, didn't he? Don't play with fire and all that jazz.

Originally posted by skywalker
Asher's point is that they AREN'T having a reasonable discussion - it has only one side of the issue and is pretty much circle-jerk (a new term to add to my vocabulary ).

Mr Kettle and Mr Pot. Again.

[Kuciwalker]

He started the flame-fest, didn't he? Don't play with fire and all that jazz.

He disagreed with their opinions in a calm and reasonable manner. If he is responsible for them subsequently flaming him...

Mr Kettle and Mr Pot. Again.

So I only participate in circle-jerk threads?

[Spiffor]

Re: Re: The Mac Forum drama - reasonable thread

Originally posted by skywalker
I don't see anything wrong with it. Asher was a) subjected to a lot of abuse from Agathon and Drake and b) was PERFECTLY within his rights to report a rules violation.

Well, Asher was no doubt subject to abuse from Agathon and Drake. The attacks on his boyfriend were very low, and I'd disrespect anybody who treated my SO like they treated his.
But it has nothing to do with Asher's strategy: come to a calm (yet off-topic) forum. Stir trouble and turn the forum into a flaming off-topic inferno. And bring the attention on the off-topicness of said forum. Clearly, he weaseled out his way into breaking the forum Agathon and Drake were used to, for his personal satisfaction rather than Poly's general interest.

Asher's point is that they AREN'T having a reasonable discussion - it has only one side of the issue and is pretty much circle-jerk (a new term to add to my vocabulary ).

I don't know. It may be circle-jerk. But it may be serious conversation about Mac as well. When there is no such obvious "confrontation" (read: trolling) in a mac-related thread, maybe the Mac-users are able to actually have a sensible debate.

[Kuciwalker]

Well, Asher was no doubt subject to abuse from Agathon and Drake. The attacks on his boyfriend were very low, and I'd disrespect anybody who treated my SO like they treated his.
But it has nothing to do with Asher's strategy: come to a calm (yet off-topic) forum. Stir trouble and turn the forum into a flaming off-topic inferno. And bring the attention on the off-topicness of said forum. Clearly, he weaseled out his way into breaking the forum Agathon and Drake were used to, for his personal satisfaction rather than Poly's general interest.

It was an on-topic forum. It was calm because no one their disagreed with them. I've looked at several of the closed threads, and he posted reasonable comments and was then flamed. And his motives are irrelevant - he did the right thing.

I don't know. It may be circle-jerk. But it may be serious conversation about Mac as well. When there is no such obvious "confrontation" (read: trolling) in a mac-related thread, maybe the Mac-users are able to actually have a sensible debate.

If their idea of a "serious" conversation is one in which no one disagrees with them...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by skywalker

He started the flame-fest, didn't he? Don't play with fire and all that jazz.

He disagreed with their opinions in a calm and reasonable manner. If he is responsible for them subsequently flaming him...

Flame-baits don't have to be acrimonious, you know.

Originally posted by skywalker
So I only participate in circle-jerk threads?

I was talking about Glonkie complaining about one-sidedness.