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  • #46
    Many EU member states are socialist and not capitalist.


    Bzzzt! Wrong. EU member states are distinctly capitalist.

    Spiffor is totally correct, socialism means government ownership of all major industries, with the only private buisnesses being small shops, etc. And yes, this is coming from someone with a Poly Sci B.A. .
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #47
      An Apolyton Sci B.A. degree? I could never tell.

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      • #48
        Oerdin's a funny guy...

        "Volkswagon is something like 25% owned by one of the German states just to name two examples"

        And how many more examples in germany can you name, hmm? Who owns BMW? Daimler? SAP? Aldi? Etc etc.

        "Government owner ship of telcoms? Check."

        Of parts of the former monopolies.

        "Government ownership or undue control over Autos, steel, and other industrial areas? Check."

        Unsubstantiated bollocks.
        Last edited by HershOstropoler; November 1, 2003, 17:31.
        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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        • #49
          Hersh - pay attention, will you?

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          • #50
            An Apolyton Sci B.A. degree?


            That's right, I studied Apolyton for years .

            Face it. Many EU member states are socialist and not capitalist.


            You know with that deadpan delivery, I almost thought you were serious for a second .
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #51
              Forget it

              Brits are with us not you
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #52
                I want to know what we are paying politicians for. I pay them to read international treaties for me, reach reasoned decisions and then vote on them. If they don't want the job when it becomes difficult, or if they feel that any decision is not going to go their way, then I don't see why they should be paid.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Ted Striker
                  Brits are with us not you
                  That's precisely why I want them to approve the constitution, because it'll allow them to leave much more easily than before
                  "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                  "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                  "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by VetLegion
                    Some industries are just too important to let go.

                    French government saved Renault and USA govt saved Chrysler.

                    Same thing.
                    Italian Government is burning FIAT to the ground

                    Saluti
                    "Life is pretty simple: You do some stuff. Most fails. Some works. You do more of what works. If it works big, others quickly copy it. Then you do something else.
                    The trick is the doing something else."                     — Leonardo da Vinci
                    "If God forbade drinking, would He have made wine so good?" - Cardinal Richelieu
                    "In vino veritas" - Plinio il vecchio

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                    • #55







                      Just kidding

                      FIAT is as good as any other european car giant, granted they did have quite a few misses. Multipla comes to mind, Stilo didn't sell that good either as far as I know.

                      In my opinion FIAT has been overemphasizing design in the last decade or so and neglecting prices and the technical side of the cars. At least here (Croatia) only lately they shook off the "carisma" of total unreliability. New Punto was one of the best sellers here.

                      I don't know why they failed in other countries though.

                      What do you mean by government burning it to the ground? I was getting impression they are selling off auxilary parts and if it still doesn't break even, govt will jump in. Granted, I wasn't following closely lately.

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                      • #56
                        in greece fiat has the cheapest spares. it'd be a shame if they'd close down, but i think this is not so imminent.

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                        • #57
                          if they close it down, will you be back to riding donkeys?

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                          • #58
                            could you first tell me where you found the only PC in Croatia?
                            and how much for you sister

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                            • #59
                              we imported a supercomuputer from greece

                              thanks

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                              • #60
                                good money on lost causes

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