Bush Blames the Sailors

[Q Classic]

well, if the navy says it's from the white house, and the white house says it's from the navy, and the white house has proven itself to be remarkably adept at manipulating backdrops for photo ops and the telly, while the navy seems to issue most of its comments from a rather drab room with only their seal, who would you believe put the "mission accomplished" sign up?

[Giancarlo]

Hey I am no extremist nutcase... wanna know some places where I am not so conservative in? Gay rights... for one... umm... that's all I can think of...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
well, if the navy says it's from the white house, and the white house says it's from the navy, and the white house has proven itself to be remarkably adept at manipulating backdrops for photo ops and the telly, while the navy seems to issue most of its comments from a rather drab room with only their seal, who would you believe put the "mission accomplished" sign up?

Evil department of Defense civilians of course. Its all the neo-cons fault!

[Q Classic]

rumsfeld is a civilian. is it his?

[rev]

The "Mission Accomplished" sign may indeed have been for the soldiers, but the White House doesn't make those signs for all the ships and other units return home. The difference is that the President and, therefore, lots of cameras were there. The entire thing -- from the landing to the flight suit to the sign -- was a publicity stunt meant to show President Bush as an accomplished war president. The ship was even turned around as to look (on camera) as if it were at sea and not merely a short distance from San Diego.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by uh Clem
Quote of the Day, from Wesley Clark

"I guess the next thing we’re going to hear is that the sailors told him to wear the flight suit and prance around on the aircraft carrier."

That is the funniest ****ing thing I've heard all day.

I wish Wes would show that much spunk and wit in the debates.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Guynemer
That is the funniest ****ing thing I've heard all day.

I wish Wes would show that much spunk and wit in the debates.

Debates require thinking on your feet, not having a clever writer tell you what you think.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by SlowwHand

http://www.salon.com/

Tell me it isn't a Radical Liberal rag.

I think the question in point is not whether it was reported by a lefty mag, but whether it was true or not...

If this report is not true, then by all means you are entitled to your disparaging remark - if it is true, well then you're just being a ****...

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Fez
Hey I am no extremist nutcase...

[Berzerker]

Much tado about nothing. Bush announced the major combat mission was over and it was. "Mission Accomplished"? Who cares? Quick attributions of mistakes to deceit should be avoided...

[Berzerker]

Full rights to gay people is, at the very least, on the liberal side, and drug legalization... yeah, that's left.

Yeah, those left wing Founding Fathers.

[NeOmega]

Bush has displayed a complete lack of leadership. A true leader takes responsibility for the actions of those he/she commands.

Truman said "The buck stops here", and it is still a legendary sign that will go through American history as a great philosophy of a leader.

Bush.... "Uh its the CIA's fault, they gave me poor intelligence..."

"Uh... the sailors wanted that banner..."

He had no right to wear what a military officer would, since he has no clue. Every military scandal has ended with the highest in command of their field taking responsibility.

Fact is, Bush actually thought it was all over. Just another one of his many, many "miscalculations" regarding Iraq.

[Berzerker]

Bush has displayed a complete lack of leadership. A true leader takes responsibility for the actions of those he/she commands.

I'd agree it was silly for him to say someone else - sailors - wanted the banner and they put it up if it was the White House, but he may have been uninformed on whom put it up.

Fact is, Bush actually thought it was all over. Just another one of his many, many "miscalculations" regarding Iraq.

When did he say it was all over? He said the major combat mission was over and it was. Obviously he meant a cessation to the actual war, not the occupation, and he added in that speech that Iraq was still a dangerous place obviously referring to the fact the occupation would not be without violence and attempts by Saddam's loyalists to resist regime change.

[NeOmega]

That was the miscalculation. To think that the war would be tank vs. tank. The war is just gettting started.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Why should we listen to Rawls or Nozick over the 'cable talk shows' when the cable talk shows are the ones describing how the terms are generally used in the US?

I don't know. Maybe because Rawls has something more to say than a soundbite? Since when is prefering Hannity and Colmes to substantive argument a preference one admits to without embarrasment?

Full rights to gay people is, at the very least, on the liberal side, and drug legalization... yeah, that's left.

Other than right wing religious fanatics who has even a half-articulate* opposition to gays having equal rights?

*Yes, I know many people have a prejudice against gays but inarticulate, unreasoned prejudices are hardly a virtue are they?