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  • #136
    ...and yet now you are criticising us for the exact opposite! Make your mind up...


    If the only way the torys can unite is in such an underhand manner, then so be it. I see no hypocrisy in criticising the way they have gone about it.

    Again, how does this square with the constantly-portrayed image of the Conservatives by people like yourself as disunited public squabblers? Which is it going to be?


    Thus enters the 'new tory order'. Just how long is it going to last? Unless some miricle has happened in the minds of all the members, the ingrained backbiting will continue behind the scenes. Making public dissent punishable was a good move, but its simply going to drive it underground. Leopards, spots and all that.
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    • #137
      Laz, why does it matter who wrote Section 28?
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      • #138
        The pen may make the markings but it is the hand that guides it.
        Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
        -Richard Dawkins

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        • #139
          Huh? Who actually wants queerness being promoted to 11 year olds?
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          • #140
            Gay 11 year-olds?
            The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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            • #141
              Originally posted by Park Avenue
              Huh? Who actually wants queerness being promoted to 11 year olds?
              even your choice of language promotes hostility to gay people. Wot a ****er.

              Anyway, section 28 makes it illegal for schools to help confused children make informed decisions by preventing the provision of full information about the different sexual choices that young adults have to make. No wonder the UK has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in the western world and thanks to section 28, right now there are hundres of confused and upset gey teens who could have done with counselling and information from a reliable trustworthy source.

              Dookie, you are an utter bigot.
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              • #142
                Damn, here I was hoping a moment of Zen-like enlightenment would crawl into your brain Spink and, hopefully, cause your head to explode. No such luck.

                We could explain to you our reasons, our judgements, our beliefs in basic equality and acceptance. You won't change your mind though. That would require looking outside the narrow world view you've built. In the long run, you're not worth the time nor effort.

                Troll.
                Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                -Richard Dawkins

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                • #143
                  Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
                  Well, they seem to be getting on rather better than Blair and Brown right now... To be honest, if you are trying to link Portillo's decision to step down to Howard's leadership, you're gripping rather too tightly on the straw...
                  And so you don't think there is any connection?

                  Talking of straws - I think Howard as leader was the final straw for Portillo...

                  As an aside, do you think the party is better or worse of without Portillo? Personally from a public POV, I think they are worse off as they have lost one of their more charismatic and well-known members - still at least the 'disunity quotient' is likely to be lessened...

                  In the distant past... regularly. Hopefully, Howard's election marks the end of the factional infighting within Conservative leadership elections that has marked recent contests.
                  I was thinking more of the recent past - say since 1900... How many times since 1900 has the leadership contest been, er, uncontested...?

                  My theory is almost never - maybe even not at all until this time.

                  Therefore I theorise that this 'unopposed leadership contest' was a farce and a fix. I reckon major cracks have been papered over and will resurface crevasse-like after Howard's honeymoon period...
                  Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                  • #144
                    Originally posted by Park Avenue
                    Huh? Who actually wants queerness being promoted to 11 year olds?
                    Don't you find that it gets really, really boring? After all, the active participants in this thread are not just random people off the internet but you have met them before and you know them, some incredibly well! Now just stop and think for a minute about what you are saying.

                    And as for the Tories, well they have a leader who is there by default...you could say the same about the whole country and Tony Blair I suppose...perhaps the LibDems may be able to mount a credible opposition come the next election
                    Speaking of Erith:

                    "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                    • #145
                      I was thinking more of the recent past - say since 1900... How many times since 1900 has the leadership contest been, er, uncontested...?

                      My theory is almost never - maybe even not at all until this time.
                      Actually thjr Conservative party didn't have leadership elections until the late 60s. The top brass of the party simply got together and decided (top brass was less than a dozen top MPs) who was going to get it.

                      I think Alec Douglas Home was the last leader to be picked like this. Im pretty sure Ted Heath was elected in some way.

                      And EIF, only the MPs have united behind Howard. The party members have not been given an opportunity to show their unity or not.

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                      • #146
                        Originally posted by Zulu Elephant
                        Actually thjr Conservative party didn't have leadership elections until the late 60s. The top brass of the party simply got together and decided (top brass was less than a dozen top MPs) who was going to get it.

                        I think Alec Douglas Home was the last leader to be picked like this. Im pretty sure Ted Heath was elected in some way.
                        so what you're saying is that the Tory party has regressed to the selection process before the late 60's...

                        The party members have not been given an opportunity to show their unity or not.
                        ...to avoid having to allow the party members the opportunity to show their unity or not...?
                        Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                        • #147
                          ZE,

                          The party members have not been given an opportunity to show their unity or not.
                          Well I've spoken to huge numbers of grassroots members since IDS was deposed and encountered no more than a handful of dissenters...
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                          • #148
                            Probably because nowadays, there are no more than a handful of Tories
                            Speaking of Erith:

                            "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                            • #149
                              and of that handfull most are too old now to say or do anything. How many years does the tory party have left at the current rate of attrition? Can the lest one alive turn off the lights around Maggie's alter?
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                              • #150
                                Given that the average of Tory members is 60, I'm not surprised that few objected to Howard. The rest think Eden is still leader.

                                6% said "Howard is evil!"

                                94% said "I was in the war, you know."
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