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**Q Classic** · October 28, 2003, 08:19

haven't heard of kid's kingdom, but if it's anything like the newer primary schools that have begun to crop up in korea, it'll be enormously different from the standard schools... more like montessori or western, i guess, with less rote.

if you're lucky, they'll put you in a new apartment, and thus they shouldn't be too bad. it'll be high-rise, most likely, and smaller than a comparable apt that you'd get in the west, but that's a function of land.
oh, and before i forget, what they call an a.pa.teu is really more like a condo. you don't pay rent on it, you buy it and then pay for utilities.

i'll admit i've never been to daegu/taegu. i do know that you probably want to stay away from the subways, since there was a disaster in one recently because some psycho threw flammable liquid and... well, no sprinklers.

broadband access is cheap there, as much as dialup is here in the states. pc-bangs are everywhere, and iirc, the going rate is 5k won/hr. it's a far more net-aware society than anything in the west...

**Q Classic** · October 28, 2003, 08:31

odd, i can't google it (or, use daum to find it, which uses google...). it's strange to have anything in korea not have a webpage these days...

i don't recall ever wearing shoes in the house... you do put on shoes for the bathroom, though. these are separate from the ones you wear outside, and tend to be plastic and grilled so water can drain out easily.
lemme see if i can find one...

**Bosh** · October 28, 2003, 10:14

When you show up we've got to get together some time for a couple beers. I'm more or less halfway between you and Seoul.

People never wear shoes indoors in Korea.
Bring spices and whatnot if you want to do cooking, they're hard to find here. Also bring deoderant and condoms and as the first doesn't exist here and the second aren't exactly the world's best. If you've got extra room in your luggage grab me a liter of taquila if you can find it duty free, its really expensive here (will pay you for it of course).

Wouldn't worry too much about the cuisine here. Its pretty good but in Daegu there won't be too much foreign restaurants besides fast food and maybe some Italians places and maybe somes kind of steak place. Even in Seoul foreign restaurants are rare and really really expensive.

Korea's got a really active night life and you can always hang around bars until you want to leave, have stayed out til 6 AM (when the Seoul subways open) and that's by no means exceptional. The only problem is the local beer while cheap, you can get a a 3 liter pitcher for about four and a half pounds if you know were to look, is absolute crap.

But basically the country is all right overall, I think you'll enjoy it. The only thing to worry about is your job.

A few things about your job made me worry a bit:

"teaching 6 hours a day"
Does this mean being at work for 6 hours or being in front of a class for 6 hours. If they don't count your couple-minute breaks and really split up your shift you could end up being obliged to be at work from 9-6 which wouldn't be too much fun. Also unless your contract says otherwise your bosses' temptation to find a few people who want to take english classes after work and really extend your schedule. Remember 6 hours of teaching a day can mean 8 spread-out 45 minutes classes (that's what I have). Really got stafted on this personally and I teach my first class at 10:30 AM while my last class ends at 9 PM.

We have an agreed rate for overtime (15k won an hour IIRC)

15K/hour or 15K/class period. If its the later you're OK, if its the former you're being taken advantage of.

accomodation is provided by the school (we pay no rent) so I'm not expecting very much from it, but I'll have to wait and see.

ALL foreign ESL teacher housing is provided by schools, there's no reason why you can't negotiate something good.

Also teaching ESL kindy isn't for everyone, its very unpopular with teachers here and for largely good reasons. If you're teaching kindy and not living in Seoul you should be getting over 2 million won a month. If you're getting less you can definately do better.

it's anything like the newer primary schools that have begun to crop up in korea, it'll be enormously different from the standard schools... more like montessori or western, i guess, with less rote.

Nah, probably a run of the mill kindy hagwon.

If you've got money to spare come over on a tourist visa instead and find someplace cheap to stay (should be able to find 20,000 won a night accomodation) and find something that you can take a look at before you commit.

**FrustratedPoet** · October 28, 2003, 10:36

Originally posted by Boshko
When you show up we've got to get together some time for a couple beers. I'm more or less halfway between you and Seoul.

Sounds good. I'll see if I can get you some tequila, but I imagine luggage space will be at a premium.

A few things about your job made me worry a bit:

"teaching 6 hours a day"
Does this mean being at work for 6 hours or being in front of a class for 6 hours. *snip* Really got stafted on this personally and I teach my first class at 10:30 AM while my last class ends at 9 PM.

The contract says 6 hours of teaching between the hours of 10 and 6. I assume that's 6 hours class time. I don't think I care if I work 9 till 6 every day, that's sounds perfectly fine to me. I've been working 9 till 5 every day for the past 8 months so am not concerned about it.

15K/hour or 15K/class period. If its the later you're OK, if its the former you're being taken advantage of.

Hmm. I'll check that.

Also teaching ESL kindy isn't for everyone, its very unpopular with teachers here and for largely good reasons.

What are those good reasons? Teaching 3-7 year olds sounds like good fun to me. I did similar stuff with kids of that age group a few years ago here (playing and helping kids with homework after school 8 hours a week) and loved it.

If you're teaching kindy and not living in Seoul you should be getting over 2 million won a month. If you're getting less you can definately do better.

1.9 million I think (with a bonus month's pay for completing the contract). We'll no doubt meet other western teachers in the clubs and bars when we're out. If they can suggest any higher-paid places for us to work we can always quit and go somewhere else. I can't be bothered with fussing around to get the absiolute best possible deal, although obviously being ripped off is no fun. I'll certainly bear it in mind.

Thanks for the advice.

**mindseye** · October 28, 2003, 10:59

In China, teaching children is also the least desirable type of general English instruction. Some schools even pay more for it.

Teaching kindergarten is not for everyone because it requires a LOT of energy, it's a very physical type teaching. You have to do a lot of playing. You must also learn to act like a little kid, so that they will acept you and have fun with you. The kids have microscopically short attention spans, and as a foreigner you will be expected to be a master entertainer, filled with an inexhaustable cornucopia of exciting games. You must also be able to tolerate a great deal of singing moronic kids' songs over and over.

Also, you will be spending an hour teaching six words, so if you are going to teach English because you love the language, then you might re-consider.

If Korea is like China, teaching wee folks also invovles on-looking hand-wringing parents who will be very concerned about your methodology. In China, children (especially boys) can be horrifyingly spoiled brats ("Little Emporers"), hope Korea is different.

Be sure to bring along plenty of photographs from home. Not only do they help remedy homesickness, they can be great for the classroom. Right now I am using photos from a Halloween costume party I had a few years back. My Chinese students (both teens & adults) are fascinated.

Teaching English abroad can be a marvelous experience or a dismal nightmare, so much depends on the school and the circumstances. Good luck!

**Bosh** · October 28, 2003, 11:24

1.9 million I think (with a bonus month's pay for completing the contract).

1.9 for teaching morning kindy classes in the provinces is definately sub par. You can do better.

Teaching kindergarten is not for everyone because it requires a LOT of energy, it's a very physical type teaching.

Yeah I have 2 kindy classes every three days and when they're good they're good and when they're bad they're awful. I should warn you that if you're teaching nothing but kindy you will have a least one small finger shoved up your ass every day (no matter what you do there's always a handful that will dongchim you every now and then). A lot of people hate middle school since they send to be sullen and withdrawn, but I've been doing a pretty good job at getting them to open up so I'm starting to really enjoy teaching them. The older the better as far as I'm concerned (although I do have a real soft spot for a couple wonderful 7-9 year olds).

If they can suggest any higher-paid places for us to work we can always quit and go somewhere else. I can't be bothered with fussing around to get the absiolute best possible deal, although obviously being ripped off is no fun. I'll certainly bear it in mind.

Switching jobs is a real pain. I'm currently trying to do that to get a job that has a better schedule, doesn't pay me three weeks late and is closer to my gf and the way the Visa bureaucracy is set up it a real ***** (you need a new visa when you change jobs if you're not ethnically Korean or have a new Korean). Also if your boss really hates you and you quit he can deny you a release letter which means you can't work legally in Korea until when your contract would have expired. It pays to be careful and get something good. Its HARD to find people who're willing to teach straight kindy and bosses generally prefer couples so you've got some bargaining power.

This is a great job to do for a couple years but you have to be DAMN careful to avoid being screwed over.

Have any questions about general living stuff? Educating yourself about this is a good thing, but wouldn't worry too much Korea is a pretty good country to live in.

**Q Classic** · October 28, 2003, 11:39

beware of the little emperors, you might have a few.

most things are somewhat westernized, but. for food shopping, you ought to go to an lgmart, because those have set prices. you can try to go to the open air markets, those are usually a bit fresher and you can get a better deal--if you can haggle right.

oh. washing machines are also in a separate room that requires special shoes, kinda like the ones you use in the bathroom. don't drink the water from the tap. it might be clean, but it can taste pretty bad.

bring your own toothpaste. seriously. all of the brands over there i've tried use tin instead of sodium to give you your flouride, so you come away with a really nasty aftertaste.

**Q Classic** · October 28, 2003, 11:40

actually, these days, there are quite a few princesses too.

**Space05us** · October 28, 2003, 12:03

bring me back a wife, those Korean chicks are hot!

at least some of them are....

and dont forget to have FUN!

**Pekka** · October 28, 2003, 12:06

They eat dogs in Korea. Don't eat dogs.

Other than that, I hope you are succesful and have good luck. You'll be back

**Bosh** · October 28, 2003, 12:08

Originally posted by Pekka
They eat dogs in Korea. Don't eat dogs.

Boshin tang majiso!

**Space05us** · October 28, 2003, 12:15

They eat dogs in Korea. Don't eat dogs.

my family used to eat at a Korean resturaunt that got closed down for serving dog, we were upset because it was the best oriental food in Alaska!

**alva** · October 28, 2003, 12:20

Well, good luck mate, see you back soon.

You surely will be missed...

Just out of interest, what are the qualifications needed for such a job? ( Yes, I do realise one should speke teh engliiiish a laitelbit decontely

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**Locutus** · October 28, 2003, 12:33

Best of luck FP, sorry to see you go

See you soon

alva,
Well, one of my former Dutch literature teachers is now teaching Dutch in Taiwan, so you don't necessarily have to speak English for such a job

No idea about other qualifications though...

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