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    I'm waiting to see who's the first geek to say this is an excellent idea.

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    Scientists Conduct First-Ever Fish Census
    Thu Oct 23, 5:57 PM ET

    By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON - Scuttling and floating almost two miles below the North Atlantic are a ghostly, foot-tall octopod with fins sprouting from its head, a soft coral with starry feathers and a flower-like creature with the body of a worm.

    Researchers showed otherworldly film of those and other creatures Thursday, demonstrating an unprecedented marine census that is discovering more than 30 new species of animal and plant life every week. And those three don't even necessarily count.

    "They can't even be described as a new species until we have a specimen," Mike Vecchione, a Smithsonian biologist, said of the deep-sea dive footage publicly screened for the first time at the National Museum of Natural History.

    Scientists reporting their first findings since the project began in May 2000 said that by the time they're finished in 2010, they may have found more than 2 million different species of marine life.

    "People have tended to look where it's easy ... and there's so much more to be found," said Jesse Ausubel, environmental scientist at The Rockefeller University in New York City. "We have discriminated in the past in favor of a very small number of species."

    Three hundred scientists from 53 countries are working on the decade-long census to learn the number of different species and catalogue them. So far, the Census of Marine Life includes 15,304 different species of fish and 194,696 to 214,696 — there's disagreement among the experts — species of animals and plants.

    So far, the research is coming up with about 150 to 200 previously unknown species of fish and 1,700 new species of other aquatic animals and plants each year.

    The scientists said they believe the oceans that extend across 70 percent of Earth's surface hold about 20,000 species of fish and up to 1.98 million species of animals and plants. Many of those could be basic and small life forms, such as worms and jellyfish.

    "We've tended to be interested in the things that we eat," said Ausubel, who helps run the census for the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, which provided $20 million in funding. "We've tended not to be interested in the things that pass through our nets or don't taste good. But the small critters are tremendously important in the ecosystem ... and in an evolutionary sense, the small things came first. They're ancient, and they're survivors."

    Scientists hope to gain a better understanding of life in the mostly unexplored seas. Environmentalists are looking to the data to counter overfishing and pollution that has depleted the ocean's resources. Industry hopes it will lead to more efficient fishing and shipping, new pharmaceuticals and industrial compounds.

    "We have primarily studied a few hundred species that are of commercial importance," said Ronald O'Dor, a marine biologist at Dalhousie University in Canada and the project's chief scientist.

    "Our goal by 2010 is to know as much about life in the oceans as we know about life on land now," he said. "No one would claim that we know everything about life on land. There are probably still a few hundred thousand beetles in tropical forests that haven't been described. But we'd like to aim for parity."

    The project grew from scientists' concerns following a 1995 National Academy of Sciences (news - web sites) report that human population growth was quickly changing the diversity of life in the oceans, possibly irreversibly.

    So far, about $70 million has been spent on the census. Its price tag eventually is expected to reach $1 million, most of it from participating governments.

    "We know we won't have counted every animal," said J. Frederick Grassle, director of Rutgers University's Institute of Marine & Coastal Sciences, the chairman of the project's scientific steering committee.
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    "So far, about $70 million has been spent on the census. Its price tag eventually is expected to reach $1 million, most of it from participating governments."


    MUST mean 1 BILLION. Damned dumb scientists.
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    • #3
      This truely is a great idea.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by SlowwHand
        Damned dumb scientists.
        Associated press writer = Scientist?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Asher

          Associated press writer = Scientist?
          Maybe both: one for the typo, the other for requesting that sum for this.

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          • #6
            Sloww, non-glamourous things can be useful.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Asher

              Associated press writer = Scientist?

              Let me guess. You think a sports writer, food critic, or other wrote the article?
              You don't think maybe he has a background in, oh I don't know, science maybe?
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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              • #8
                I'd very much doubt it. I'd imagine the guy has journalism degree.

                Trust me, reading all of the computer stuff in the paper and it's OBVIOUS that 99% of these people don't come from a computer background. So I very much doubt the other comes from a science background, but rather journalism.
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                • #9
                  At least we're finally getting around to being interested in planet earth. After all the money we've spent on getting out into space, knowing that we can't even live long enough to reach most of the nearby planets, let alone study or inhabit them, it's nice to know we've started seeking intelligent alien life forms in our own backyard.

                  I've often wondered if some of those deep-sea crinoids might not be alien life forms from some other planet that landed in the ocean and managed to find some ecological niche in which to thrive. They were smart enough to stay the he11 away from the humans, that's for sure.

                  After all, our planet does foster specialists and adapters in all things, from beetles to computer hardware.
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                  • #10
                    Considering the amount of food and other resources harvested from the sea, and the commercial value and economic benefits thereof, this is not only a great idea, but long overdue and should be updated on a regular basis.
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                    • #11
                      If you go fishing you screw up the findings?
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                      • #12
                        "They were smart enough to stay the he11 away from the humans, that's for sure."

                        This could be because they are all very wise, or because they are just dumb assed fish.
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                        • #13
                          Note to self: pass all future ideas for useful, longterm, overdue scientific projects that may have huge payoffs by Sloww first so he can tell the collective scientific establishment that one nutter in Texas knows more than they do. Check.
                          Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
                            Considering the amount of food and other resources harvested from the sea, and the commercial value and economic benefits thereof, this is not only a great idea, but long overdue and should be updated on a regular basis.
                            I'm not surprised on hearing this drivel from you, but I AM surpriced you were so brief in your reply.

                            And starchild, this won't include you.
                            starFISH, maybe.






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                            "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                            • #15
                              This is an excellent idea.

                              As a scientist AND a game fishing fanatic, I would love to help them catch a specimen of a yet unknown species. I just have to get a line that's 3000 meters long...

                              (The deepest fishing I've done was from 300 meters. Took 5 minutes just for the bait to sink all the way down, and was a nightmare to wind back in, not to mention the struggle of bringing 19 kg of ugly fish to the surface)
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