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  • US won the war, but bungled occupation is losing the peace

    Via Rantburg and other blogs.

    'EFL (by Rantburg) -- Life Magazine, January 7, 1946
    We are in a cabin deep down below decks on a Navy ship jam-packed with troops that’s pitching and creaking its way across the Atlantic in a winter gale. There is a man in every bunk. There’s a man wedged into every corner. There’s a man in every chair. The air is dense with cigarette smoke and with the staleness of packed troops and sour wool.

    “Don’t think I’m sticking up for the Germans,” puts in the lanky young captain in the upper berth, “but…”

    “To hell with the Germans,” says the broad-shouldered dark lieutenant. “It’s what our boys have been doing that worries me.”

    The lieutenant has been talking about the traffic in Army property, the leaking of gasoline into the black market in France and Belgium even while the fighting was going on, the way the Army kicks the civilians around, the looting.

    “Lust, liquor and loot are the soldier’s pay,” interrupts a red-faced major.

    The lieutenant comes out with his conclusion: “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” You hear these two phrases again and again in about every bull session on the shop. “Two wrongs don’t make a right” and “Don’t think I’m sticking up for the Germans, but….”

    The troops returning home are worried. “We’ve lost the peace,” men tell you. “We can’t make it stick.”

    A tour of the beaten-up cities of Europe six months after victory is a mighty sobering experience for anyone. Europeans. Friend and foe alike, look you accusingly in the face and tell you how bitterly they are disappointed in you as an American. They cite the evolution of the word “liberation.” Before the Normandy landings it meant to be freed from the tyranny of the Nazis. Now it stands in the minds of the civilians for one thing, looting.

    You try to explain to these Europeans that they expected too much. They answer that they had a right to, that after the last was America was the hope of the world. They talk about the Hoover relief, the work of the Quakers, the speeches of Woodrow Wilson. They don’t blame us for the fading of that hope. But they blame us now.

    Never has American prestige in Europe been lower. People never tire of telling you of the ignorance and rowdy-ism of American troops, of out misunderstanding of European conditions. They say that the theft and sale of Army supplies by our troops is the basis of their black market. They blame us for the corruption and disorganization of UNRRA. They blame us for the fumbling timidity of our negotiations with the Soviet Union. They tell us that our mechanical de-nazification policy in Germany is producing results opposite to those we planned. “Have you no statesmen in America?” they ask. '
    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

  • #2
    And the difference is that long-term cultural, economic and political ties, and a common enemy to the east, motivated everyone to get over that.

    Nice cheerleading try, though.
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    • #3
      well, we're not exactly liked too much by the europeans right now...

      so if you're trying to make this a parallel, doesn't it kinda not bode well for us in iraq?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Q Cubed
        well, we're not exactly liked too much by the europeans right now...

        so if you're trying to make this a parallel, doesn't it kinda not bode well for us in iraq?
        France, Belgium and Germany - so that explains it

        If Iraq ends up with someone like Chirac instead of someone like Saddam, id be happy.
        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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        • #5
          aaaaahhhhhhhhhHA!

          so you admit Chirac isn't quite Evil, just your run of the mill arrogant Frenchie?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Q Cubed
            aaaaahhhhhhhhhHA!

            so you admit Chirac isn't quite Evil, just your run of the mill arrogant Frenchie?
            Oh yeah, the Chirac equals hitler thing was always overdone. It was more like saddam equals hitler, Chirac equals Neville Chamberlain, Charles Lindbergh, General Waygand (sp?) etc.

            I happily eat French toast and french fries. And french bread - (with English cheese and California wine, of course)
            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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            • #7
              and i bet you, like me, enjoy french kisses. i happen to like a few aussie wines...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Q Cubed
                and i bet you, like me, enjoy french kisses. i happen to like a few aussie wines...
                well im not going to say I DONT like you, but im sure not going to connect that with French kisses.

                (note to avoid such misreadings, you might want to say "you enjoy X, as do I" )
                "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                • #9
                  I thought his parenthetic commas made the point quite well. Replace the ', like me,' commas with brackets and you will see what its all about.
                  Safer worlds through superior firepower

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Snotty
                    I thought his parenthetic commas made the point quite well. Replace the ', like me,' commas with brackets and you will see what its all about.
                    I guess the humor didnt come through then.
                    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                    • #11
                      On topic though, The above seems to equate europe not including the UK. Im not in a position to speak for other countrys, but the negative points of the article apply much less here.
                      Safer worlds through superior firepower

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                      • #12
                        Ah, I appreciated the humour of the first part. The grammer nazi sarcasm of the second line must have been too dry for my taste.
                        Safer worlds through superior firepower

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Snotty
                          Ah, I appreciated the humour of the first part. The grammer nazi sarcasm of the second line must have been too dry for my taste.
                          I put the second part in to make clear that the first part was a joke at the expense of his grammar, not my real reading of what he said. OK?
                          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                          • #14
                            There lies the problem then. The second line seemed redundant after getting the first line without its aid.

                            Sarcasm and the internet, two media not born for each other.
                            Safer worlds through superior firepower

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                            • #15
                              well im not going to say I DONT like you, but im sure not going to connect that with French kisses.

                              good, because i don't like facial hair.

                              or guys, for that matter.
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