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  • Geneva Initiative: new peace plan?

    Apparently, there is an unofficial peace plan called the Geneva Initiative. It was written by Shahar Party leader Yossi Beilin and former Palestinian Authority minister Yasser Abed Rabbo as well as other Israeli and Palestinian thinkers in a meeting in Jordan.

    Here are the details:
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    The agreement, he said, draws borders similar to those in 1967, with an additional 2.5 percent of territory, in order to include settlements close to the Green Line such as the Gush Etzion bloc. It will, however, exclude large settlements like Ariel further outside the line. People in those communities will have to be resettled back into Israel, he said.

    Palestinians will relinquish their claim to a right of return into Israel, and compensation will be made to refugees through an an international foundation with the participation of Israel, Mitzna said.

    The Palestinians will fight terrorism and end the violence. The new state will be a demilitarized one, with a strong police force but no heavy weapons, he said.

    Jerusalem would be divided with Arab neighborhoods under PA sovereignty and Jewish neighborhoods under Israeli authority, Mitzna said.

    The Old City would be open, without borders, but with a similar arrangement, with the Jewish Quarter including the Western Wall under Israeli sovereignty and the Muslim Quarter and the Temple Mount under the PA.

    There would also be an international force in the Temple Mount area to monitor the situation, Mitzna said.
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    Will this plan gain momentum if the Road Map gets trashed?
    'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
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  • #2
    I can live with this plan. I do not like the removal of Ariel, though.

    Another interesting point is the fact that it wasn't carried by the legitimate government of Israel, and therefore carries no weight whatsoever.
    urgh.NSFW

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Azazel
      Another interesting point is the fact that it wasn't carried by the legitimate government of Israel, and therefore carries no weight whatsoever.
      True, it has no legal weight right now. However, it may gain momentum in the future, if the Road Map continues to stumble.
      'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
      G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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      • #4
        "continues to stumble"? the roadmap is dead. Abu-Mazen is gone.
        urgh.NSFW

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Azazel
          "continues to stumble"? the roadmap is dead. Abu-Mazen is gone.
          And it looks like Qorei will soon be gone also.

          And, how would Israelis feel about an international force to monitor the Temple Mount that this Geneva Plan seems to call for?
          'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
          G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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          • #6
            Any plan that doesn't include the destruction of Isreal will never be supported by the Pal fringe groups.
            It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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            • #7
              They're doomed until they kill each other .

              I have ceased to care, both sides are as bad as each other, imo they need to have their heads banged together, or locked in a rubber room for a fortnight.

              Still, I hope it brings peace, but I doubt it.
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              • #8
                They're doomed until they kill each other


                So wouldn't it be better if only ONE side died, then, rather than both? And since there is no way for the Palestinians to destroy Israel, but it is possible for Israel to destroy Palestine, that we should support Israel (because that will result in the best possible solution)?

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                • #9
                  I dont think any plan will work. There is so much hatered amoung both parties. I dont see why they cant just have the whole area under one government, but I know that they hate each other too much for that too work.
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                  • #10
                    I have a better plan. Bulldoze the arabs across Jordan and move the security fence there. Fool proof and Israel will win the demographic race.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rah
                      Any plan that doesn't include the destruction of Isreal will never be supported by the Pal fringe groups.
                      Likewise, any plan that does not include the deportation of palestines will never be supported by the isreali fringe groups.
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                      • #12
                        To be fair the Israeli fringe groups are very small while the Palestinian fringe groups practically run the show.
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                        • #13
                          The outlines of a deal, with pretty good detail, are pretty clear. It has been for a couple of years, and this deal just restates the parameters. So what is the value of this peace plan?

                          This is incredibly frustrating. Both the Israelis and Palestinians have no right to continue to foist this problem on the rest of the world.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #14
                            Well, two of the Palestinian signatories on this agreement already announced that they didnt really give up on the right of return and that they wont dismantle the terrorist organizations...
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                            • #15
                              link, Eli?
                              urgh.NSFW

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