I'm saying goodbye

[TCO]

Ok. I don't have any love to keep it going. But I do have a love to honor Siro and wich him good luck, and good thoughts when he may be discouraged.

[Chemical Ollie]

TCO, where were US in Bosnia? In Kongo?

I'm sure everyone want a death barrage to hit the enemy. The only problem with that is that you seldom know who is the enemy. You have to aim well before you shoot, not just hose a wall of lead down bad guy alley and hope the bullets will find the appropriate targets. Every innocent person you kill will create at least 2 potential terrorists from his or her family. US military is infamous for shooting or bombing neutral embassies, news stations and journalists, own troops, allied troops etc.

Sorry for the threadjack again Siro, but what I said applies to you too.

[Sirotnikov]

And btw, some poly members really DON'T come back.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Those don't exist!
Shut up or they will come for you too.

Do Israeli soldiers who kill neutrals get punished?

EDIT: While I wrote this, you already answered the question partly (but not completely)

If it isn't covered up and if it was a result of criminal intent (intentionally) or criminal recklesness then they are tried either in a military court or sometimes in a civil court and serve long jail times (by Israeli standards).

Sometimes field commanders cover it up, and punish the soldiers without reporting it.

Sometimes they just cover it up, like any army.

But just so you know - Israel takes it very seriously. Several border patrol regiments were disbanded and their soldiers and officers either tried, punished or moved because of an unusually high number of violence cases in their midst.

[Sirotnikov]

Ok. I don't have any love to keep it going. But I do have a love to honor Siro and wich him good luck, and good thoughts when he may be discouraged.

thanks man

What I don't get is the rivalry between different arms in the us military. I mean, it's much higher than in Israel. There is more rivalry between designated foot divisions (Israel has 4 of those: Golani, Givati (previously marines), Nahal (includes "kibutz like" activity) and Paratroopers).

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
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But just so you know - Israel takes it very seriously. Several border patrol regiments were disbanded and their soldiers and officers either tried, punished or moved because of an unusually high number of violence cases in their midst.

Good. That improves my opinion about you (your army, that is. I already have good feelings for the person Sirotnikov).

As I said, stay safe and try to avoid killing someone. If you do, his ghost will come back to haunt you in your nighmares even if he really deserved to die in the first place.

[laurentius]

I think that, If I wont get into any university next year, I will apply to the IDF. Seriously

[laurentius]

Do you know if a civilserviceman can apply to IDF?

[Sirotnikov]

As I said, stay safe and try to avoid killing someone. If you do, his ghost will come back to haunt you in your nighmares even if he really deserved to die in the first place.

1. I doubt I will ever personally kill someone during the next 4 years. I won't have a weapon for most of that time, and I'm heading towards a deskjob.
2. I have no remorse for people who deserved to die, and will just call the "gohst busters"

[Sirotnikov]

Do you know if a civilserviceman can apply to IDF?

no idea.
you are welcome to go to the IDF site or Ministry of foreign affairs site and check it out.

https://www.idf.il

https://www.mfa.gov.il

[Pekka]

Siro, You know I was only joking about the unaimed rapid fire things some pages back..

I agree with chemical ollie, try not to shoot anyone and avoid getting into position where you might have to do that... like being in danger yourself or defending your buddies life.. I believe it will hunt you later on even if it was justified self defense.. if possible avoid it.. if not possible.. protect yourself.

Well you're a grown man who am I to talk about these things I don't even live there.

[laurentius]

I couldnt find anything related. Maybe i should search for some Zylkas threads or just walk into Israeli embassy in here

[TCO]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
TCO, where were US in Bosnia? In Kongo?

I'm sure everyone want a death barrage to hit the enemy. The only problem with that is that you seldom know who is the enemy. You have to aim well before you shoot, not just hose a wall of lead down bad guy alley and hope the bullets will find the appropriate targets. Every innocent person you kill will create at least 2 potential terrorists from his or her family. US military is infamous for shooting or bombing neutral embassies, news stations and journalists, own troops, allied troops etc.

Sorry for the threadjack again Siro, but what I said applies to you too.

Yeah...whatever. Next time, there is a tough situation, watch the run for uncle sugar. Where is the Un in Iraq? Packing for home.

Even when you all have the combionied pwoer like in Kosovo, you need us along to make it all cool.

[Pekka]

UN != Europe. Europe != A country.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

2. I have no remorse for people who deserved to die, and will just call the "gohst busters"

That was my opinion too, when I was in the military 1987-88. I'm more mature now (at least on that topic). The ghosts are not a matter of your choice.

[molly bloom]

Good luck, mazel tov, best wishes, accept no rubber shekels, stay out of harm's way, and revisit the pulsating heart of depravity that is Off Topic.

And as Chaim Herzog would say, slainte.