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  • btw, when you add in the oil they don't have the technology to recover yet, the estimates of the reserves in Alberta go up to 1700 to 2500 billion barrels.

    Is there a shortage of oil? No.

    Why is it that some feel it necessary to paint the oil situation as something it is not?
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    • Originally posted by MikeH
      If the US didn't spend so much time projecting power overseas people wouldn't be wanting to kill Americans.

      So why does the US feel a need to have bases around the world? To protect it's economy.
      Why is the US active on the world stage and projecting power here and there? Is it because nasty **** happened when they were of the habit of minding their own business and many of their sons died to put an end to it? And is it because after the last big go round, there arose a new 'threat' that kept them engaged? And is it because that unless they turned their backs on the whole ****ery, they would need bases?

      And just what do you think would replace American and European influence in much of the world? Don't miss your guess, without the US backing them up, Europe would have all the influence of a plate of cold beans over 75% of the surface of the globe.

      Do you really want an isolationist US?

      Why is it important to have bases in Iraq rather than neighbouring NATO member Turkey?
      Because bases in Turkey are not adjacent to the good bits of Iran and not adjacent to the Gulf at all? The problem of Arab states sponsoring terrorism is not yet solved, and bases may be required in the future.
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      • Originally posted by notyoueither
        Alberta is sitting on 280-300 billion barrles of oil, just in the tar sands. Then there are the more conventional oil fields.
        What's the cost of refined oil from Canada as opposed to Venezuela? I'll bet it's considerably higher. We can get plenty of oil; we want cheap oil.
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        • Originally posted by Sandman
          Oil is created from organic matter, but not from swamps and bogs. They make coal.
          With enough heat and pressure your coal beds will turn to oil. Of course if you put to much then it will become gas and if you put way to much it will burn up.
          It's created from plankton and sea creatures that die and sink to the sea floor.
          This is how most of our oil is formed mainly because the surface of the Earth is 3/4 water so most of the organic matter we have will be marine in origin. Shallow protected seas are excellent for this because you can get a thick mat of organic detritus.
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          • Originally posted by notyoueither
            Alberta is sitting on 280-300 billion barrles of oil, just in the tar sands. Then there are the more conventional oil fields. Statistics lie and then sometimes it's the people publishing them that do.
            I also know that there is almost as much oil in Utah as there is in Saudi Arabia. Don't laugh. The big problem is it's shale oil meaning it's stuck in shale beds where the permiability is pretty much tombstone. The shale is so fine grained the oil can't even flow through the pore spaces.
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            • We are extracting those 300 billion barrels.

              We are waiting for technology for the other 1700 billion barrels.
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              • Originally posted by Theben


                What's the cost of refined oil from Canada as opposed to Venezuela? I'll bet it's considerably higher. We can get plenty of oil; we want cheap oil.
                No, you want oil out of the pump. You pay the world price no matter who you are as a consumer.

                You'll like our blend just fine, thank you. Your oil companies do too.

                Hint, we are extracting and refining those 300 billion barrels right now, at current prices for oil. Addit/ and with current technology.
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                • Originally posted by Oerdin
                  This is how most of our oil is formed mainly because the surface of the Earth is 3/4 water so most of the organic matter we have will be marine in origin. Shallow protected seas are excellent for this because you can get a thick mat of organic detritus.
                  Interstingly enough, Alberta and Saskatchewan are right smack dab in the middle of a huge inland sea that used to occupy much of the land east of the Rockies. It went way south, so I wouldnt be surprised if Iowa started pumping at some time in the future.
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                  • Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                    The price on imported camels has gone down considerably.
                    Clearly the invasion was all about the camels.
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                    • Not every nation adheres to world price all the time.

                      FE, Russia and Venezuela have undersold world price on occasion. If Iraq becomes our newest colony, maybe we could influence OPEC prices more effectively. Ya think?
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                      • Originally posted by notyoueither


                        Interstingly enough, Alberta and Saskatchewan are right smack dab in the middle of a huge inland sea that used to occupy much of the land east of the Rockies. It went way south, so I wouldnt be surprised if Iowa started pumping at some time in the future.
                        That same sea also covered Utah. The reminants of it are still there.

                        Apparently didn't help Utah.
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                        • Originally posted by notyoueither
                          Interstingly enough, Alberta and Saskatchewan are right smack dab in the middle of a huge inland sea that used to occupy much of the land east of the Rockies. It went way south, so I wouldnt be surprised if Iowa started pumping at some time in the future.
                          Yes, most of North America and South America were covered by water at one time or another.

                          The absolute wet dream of an oil man is to find an old river delta system. Why? Because the prograding delta will bury organic matter quickly under sand and silt plus the beds will be layed down dipping slightly. That means the oil which is formed will have a natural permiable pathway leading up and the path way will almost always be capped by silt stone at the top. That means lots of oil if you drill in the right spot and since the bedding will most likely be fairly consistent it should be easy to figure out where the right spot is.
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                          • Originally posted by Theben
                            Not every nation adheres to world price all the time.

                            FE, Russia and Venezuela have undersold world price on occasion. If Iraq becomes our newest colony, maybe we could influence OPEC prices more effectively. Ya think?
                            No. I don't think.

                            You are saying that someone sold a commodity for less than it was worth on the world market? What kind of fools were they, and where are your links?
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                            • Originally posted by notyoueither
                              No. I don't think.

                              You are saying that someone sold a commodity for less than it was worth on the world market? What kind of fools were they, and where are your links?
                              Commies do that all the time or at least they did until they went bankrupt. They didn't have money to give so they gave cut rate deals on resources.
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                              • Bull****!
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