What really scares me about USUK aggression

[Arrian]

First off I'd like to say that this thread is for those that will not waste all our time by discussing the irrelevant propaganda-issues put out by USUK leadership regarding weapons of mass destruction or the evilness of Saddam or 45-minutes or World security or any of the other chewing-gum-topics divulged for the benifit of the voting public.

Translation: I dismiss anything that doesn't fit into my worldview out of hand, and I wish to have a tea party with other posters who share said worldview. We can all get together, rag on Bush and the US of A, and maybe have a singalong.

:vomit:

-Arrian

[Donegeal]

Moron. You and David Floyd should hook up.....

[Edit] Intended for problem_child, not Arrian.

[Az]

What scares ME, is that people actually treat the USUK actions as something unbelieavable that never happened before. What kind of sheltered life have they been leading?

[MikeH]

When Saddam invaded Kuwait to steal their oil there was an uproar from the international community. No-one seemed that bothered about his regime before that.

[Dinner]

Azazel: I think deep down they know that, but, they so hate Bush and company that they will ignore the facts. I find it sad. It was sad when the right went on a witch hunt for Clinton and now it's sad when the left mindlessly does the same to Bush.

I mean there are so many real issues where people could easily debate Bush's policies but instead of doing that Problem_Child decides to effectively say "I'm going to bash people/countries and I don't want anyone to tell me if what I'm saying is unfair or untrue".

[Q Classic]

you think this was all about oil?



idiot. oil was a small fraction of it. this was about pure power.

humanitarian issues, womd issues, oil issues, all of that is worthless crap used to dress up how countries like america operate in the real world, based on realist principles.

the middle east is a strategic location, and a place where we need to exert our influence: sure, there's oil, but we also want to keep an eye on them so they stop killing us.

unfortunately, you can't project power across water very well, so going into iraq was a move designed to create a very strong pro-us base from which we could project our power.

it wasn't about oil.

[MikeH]

If the US didn't spend so much time projecting power overseas people wouldn't be wanting to kill Americans.

So why does the US feel a need to have bases around the world? To protect it's economy.

Why is it important to have bases in Iraq rather than neighbouring NATO member Turkey?

[problem_child]

Azazel, your point is worth addressing. I think you misunderstand my position, actually I think that the imperialism of the 'old world' never actually ended... why did anyone ever beleive it did? What, so Britain and America hooked up to fight the Nazi's, and after imperialism and wanting to control others was banished forever.... no.

The US and UK hooked up to resist rival empires and succeeded, now the world belongs to the US hegemony. Nothing changed... but the deception of US and UK citizens into thinking every imperialist war they get engaged in is actually some kind of moral heroism... that sucks more then the old 'civilizing the savages' line the British empire used to use, because today we should all surely know better then to buy it.

Arrian/Oerdin etc... come on, they knew they'd find no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but that doesn't matter coz they got to invade the place anyway... I find it unbeleivable that you're willing to give credit to the excuses the US and UK governments are leading you around with. Now they'll back-excuse the invasion by saying it was the Iraqis fault for pretending they had WMDs etc (even though the Iraqis insisted they didn't in the first place) and you'll dutifully give credance to that. If you guys were 16-year old girls... every half-brained jock in your school would have sweet-talked their way into your knickers by now.

[FrustratedPoet]

OMG!!1

LOL I GET IT NOW!!!

"USUK" = "U SUCK"

LOL!!!!

\m/

[Dinner]

Originally posted by MikeH
When Saddam invaded Kuwait to steal their oil there was an uproar from the international community. No-one seemed that bothered about his regime before that.

You're right. When Iraq tried to militarially annex one of it's neighbors people did take notice. He also probed into Saudi Arabia and the Saudis were so nervous that they called upon the US to honor the defense agreement.

[problem_child]

Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
OMG!!1

LOL I GET IT NOW!!!

"USUK" = "U SUCK"

LOL!!!!

\m/

ta-daa. A lil childish of me perhaps but *shrugs* what pleasures one can eh.

[Az]

Azazel, your point is worth addressing. I think you misunderstand my position, actually I think that the imperialism of the 'old world' never actually ended... why did anyone ever beleive it did? What, so Britain and America hooked up to fight the Nazi's, and after imperialism and wanting to control others was banished forever.... no.

Now you're getting it.

UN? Yep, world powers deciding upon conflicts is REAL impartial.

Another point well-worth adressing is that it isn't some inherently bad quality of the west, America, or whatever. It's just a direct continuation of whatever went on in the ancient times, the Middle ages, etc.

[problem_child]

Originally posted by Q Cubed


you think this was all about oil?



idiot. oil was a small fraction of it. this was about pure power.

humanitarian issues, womd issues, oil issues, all of that is worthless crap used to dress up how countries like america operate in the real world, based on realist principles.

the middle east is a strategic location, and a place where we need to exert our influence: sure, there's oil, but we also want to keep an eye on them so they stop killing us.

unfortunately, you can't project power across water very well, so going into iraq was a move designed to create a very strong pro-us base from which we could project our power.

it wasn't about oil.

You're quite infatuated with yourself arent you... The idea that America is extending it's force and power in the Middle East to stop them from killing you is so ridiculous that out of mercy I have decided to spare you. You are right however, and wrong at the same time.

The US in Iraq is about pure-power, oil-power IS pure power, the finger on the tap dude... the ability to control the growth of whole economies, not just to supply the USs own domestic needs, not just to protect US industry, but to dictate the growth of all the idustrial world, to maintain US preeminance, economicaly and militarily. Power isn't just about having lots of tanks and planes, those things are just brawn... dependant on real power.

Power is something you pump, power is something you can turn day into night with, power burns with blue fire from the back of a jet-engine....

[C0ckney]

just out of interest problem child, how old are you?

[DaShi]

The Man with his finger on the button.