Kyoto Dies

[Saint Marcus]

Kyoto may have been insufficient, but it was a step in the right direction. You have to start somewhere. And continuing the way we do, is not the way to go.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Perhaps Putin sees that in order to develop his country economically, Kyoto isn't in the best interest.

I still don't believe that he's right in not signing.

[Whaleboy]

Only if you believe in junk science.

Nope, just good science. Ok, maybe not the human species (though I do expect numbers to suffer), but certainly the West as we know it.

[Whaleboy]

Its not in our economic interest to have sea levels rise by stupid amounts, temperatures to go through the roof, parts of Europe returned to the ice age (melting artic interrupting gulf stream), and the possibility of our civilisation dying out.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Only if you believe in junk science.

It's those opposed to Kyoto that believe in junk science. When 98% of scientists in the field say, global warming is real, it's happening, and it's humanity's fault, and the other 2% are employed by power companies, it's a relatively safe bet that the 98% are the ones who are correct.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


It's those opposed to Kyoto that believe in junk science. When 98% of scientists in the field say, global warming is real, it's happening, and it's humanity's fault, and the other 2% are employed by power companies, it's a relatively safe bet that the 98% are the ones who are correct.

Junk stats.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Junk stats.

Junk reply.

[Az]

My Air Pollution professor says that he isn't sure. But he was always very certain to point out that the vast majority of scientists do see global warning as a very real threat.

[Whaleboy]

Indeed, far less scientists disregard the link between greenhouse gases and massive global warming.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Junk reply.

Somehow, I find it hard to believe that the only scientists who don't believe global warming is our fault all work for power companies. I also find your claim that 98% of scientists see things your way a bit of a stretch, to say the least.

Better?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Azazel
My Air Pollution professor says that he isn't sure. But he was always very certain to point out that the vast majority of scientists do see global warning as a very real threat.

But do the vast majority say it's caused by humans? I seriously doubt it.

[Az]

Yep.

look, the readings are very clear. The amounts of CO2 have grown dramatically, in the last century.

[Whaleboy]

Somehow, I find it hard to believe that the only scientists who don't believe global warming is our fault all work for power companies. I also find your claim that 98% of scientists see things your way a bit of a stretch, to say the least.

Believe it. The man happens to be right.

[Whaleboy]

But do the vast majority say it's caused by humans? I seriously doubt it.

look, the readings are very clear. The amounts of CO2 have grown dramatically, in the last century.

As has the rise in global temperatures. This century has seen rises consistent with a time period of a few millenia! A further 2 degrees C would be disastrous, this century we could well be looking at 5.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by elijah


Believe it. The man happens to be right.

Sorry, but I don't think I'll take his word for it. I'm sure he is sincere and believes what he is telling me, but I'd like to hear some comments from the other side first.