California Recall Debate

[Japher]

Yea, the Green Party is wack.

When I heard that I started yelling at the screen. They said what? Rich pay 30 something % less taxes than everyone else, and that latinos pay more.

I was like, how the hell is that possible you F'in liar! Have you even looked at how taxes are structured you idiot!

Anyway...

The republican were for prop 53, which increases spending. Yet, both said ppl were paying to much in taxes for what they get.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by mindseye

I dont know why Arine did not jump into the other debates

Perhaps because they did not offer the questions in advance.

Most of the question you know will be asked, you can predict them ahead of time. He did not have to know the questions in advance. I think he would have done just fine.

[Dinner]

I remember hearing that in terms of total revenue for the federal government the top 10% of earners pays 70% of the total tax money while the bottom 50% of earners pays less then 5% of the total tax money.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
I watched the whole thing. Arnold didn't answer any of the questions. Ariana was just silly. To listen to them try to pronounce the name of the state just made me laugh.

As for the rest, McClintok is your typical Republican...we have a great deficit, but heck, LETS CUT MORE RICH TAXES!

Camejo I thought looked the best, though I'm not sure about his fuzzy math.

Bustamante had the best platform, and kept his cool for almost all of the debate. No wonder the republicans are unsure if they made the best decision.

What debate did you listen to?? Arnold may not have been very specific, but he does have a bacis understanding of the major problems the state of California is facing and what needs to be done to fix those problems.

The only tax cuts I heard is to repeal the trippling of the car tax, and McClintock wants to go futher and repeal the whole thing through a consitutional admendment that he is trying to get on the March 2004 ballot. This will help everyone in the state, mostly the poor and middle class.

Bustamante, he is just appealing to his base, which I see you are a part of. He wants to raise taxes in the middle of recession. He believes there is no such thing as illigeal immigration. That is just the start of the problems I have with him.

[Ned]

One of the most startling things for Democrats is the complete lack of defense of Gray Davis by Bustamante. Everytime anyone pointed out something truly negative about the current adminstration, Bustamante said in effect - talk to Davis, not me. Clearly Bustamante is not comfortable with the No on recall and Yes on Bustamante strategy. He has strong differences with Davis, and that was clear.

For Democrats, Bustamante's message was

- Yes on recall.

- Yes on Bustamante.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Ned
I was singularly impressed with Bustamante. He appeared competent, dignified and respectful. He has a tremendous voice. If he ever wanted to get out of politics, he could have a big future in acting or on talk radio.

This is only part I dissagree with you. Bustamante was talking under Arnold and telling "You might not know this ..." all through out the debate. Kind of like the same crap Al Gore pulled on Bush during the 2000 presidental debates.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I remember hearing that in terms of total revenue for the federal government the top 10% of earners pays 70% of the total tax money while the bottom 50% of earners pays less then 5% of the total tax money.

While this true, you aren't thinking on the individual evel. A larger portion of smaller incomes goes to paying taxes than those with larger incomes. That's becuase people with middle to lower incomes don't save or invest very much, and all their money get's taxed coming and going. Also consider that after a certain level, Social Security is a regressive tax.

[Japher]

Arnold's attacks:

He told ol' Busta that he is affiliated with Davis, his party, and his office so he hold him just as responsible for Davis' mistakes that was good.

He brought up the illegal driver's liscenses! Which wasn't even part of the debate!

He said he is the only one up there qualified to run the economy of California as he is the only one who has a successful buisness, and that while he signs the front of checks they were all use to signing only the back

Arnold did some really good ad lib while addressing the issues and even defended himself well when Ariana attacked his stance on private interest (which I think she missed on when he said he wants to lower property tax - talk about private/self interest!)

Still voting for Arnie

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Jack_www


What debate did you listen to?? Arnold may not have been very specific, but he does have a bacis understanding of the major problems the state of California is facing and what needs to be done to fix those problems.

The only tax cuts I heard is to repeal the trippling of the car tax, and McClintock wants to go futher and repeal the whole thing through a consitutional admendment that he is trying to get on the March 2004 ballot. This will help everyone in the state, mostly the poor and middle class.

You're right. I mispoke on McClintok...however, his lack of support for raising taxes for corporations and the rich is similar.

However, his stance on abortion, gun control, and especially immigration makes me sick.

I'm not picking a candidate. I'm not a Californian and I don't follow Californian politics. I only follow National, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania politics. However, McClintok seemed to me no different than any discompassionate conservative.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous


You're right. I mispoke on McClintok...however, his lack of support for raising taxes for corporations and the rich is similar.

However, his stance on abortion, gun control, and especially immigration makes me sick.

I'm not picking a candidate. I'm not a Californian and I don't follow Californian politics. I only follow National, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania politics. However, McClintok seemed to me no different than any discompassionate conservative.

Most of California's taxes come from the income tax, which in this state the top earners, I think around 50,000 for a single person starts, pays 9.3 percent on top of the federal income tax. The rich already pay a lot of money. The problem is not that taxes dried up but that Gray Davis and the legislature spent more money then we had. During his 5 years in office population and inflation only increased by 21% while the taxes coming into the state rose by 25%, but they raised spending by 40%, thus the mess we are in now.

By the way what immigration policies would you like to see come about and how do you exactly dissagree with McClintock?

[realpolitic]

Arnie definately wins the most sexist award. He interupted Arrianna far more often than any other candidate interupted another candidate. Once when Arrianna was talking he said "I have a role for you in Terminator IV". In Terminator III, he shoved a woman's head into a toilet. He's a jerk who has no consideration for others, especially women.

[Japher]

Ariana should have her head shoved in a toilet that ranting lunatic... Personally, I'd do more than just put her head in the toilet

YEAH ARNOLD!

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by realpolitic
Once when Arrianna was talking he said "I have a role for you in Terminator IV".

No, Arrianna was not talking when he said that. She had just made a personal attack on him, so the moderator gave him a chance to respond. That was when he uttered the Terminator 4 line.

[chequita guevara]

Federal money to the states has also dried up. Almost every single state in the union is in a fiscal crisis. You Californians are not alone.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
You Californians are not alone.

I think they are a special case considering the fact that thier deficit equals that of all the other states in financial trouble combined.