LBJ had Kennedy killed...

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Harry Seldon


That's crazy! If you knew anything about this you'd have to agree that there was more than one shooter. The number of shots Oswald took don't jibe with the damage done to the victims.

"Jeez, how many guys does it take to kill a president these day?"

John Dillinger on the grassy knoll, November 1963

[Ned]

So LBJ did not run Texas? What was Jack Ruby saying when he said the following to the Warren Commission:

"You Dummies!--can't you see that I can't tell it here? You people don't run this town. You can't protect me in Dallas. I'll get knifed in my cell, and the guards will be looking the other way."

Why did the Dallas police tip him off about the timing of the transfer of Oswald? Why did they allow him down the ramp?

Note, all this implicated "official" Texas, not the Mafia.

[Ecthy]

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
So LBJ did not run Texas?

Where did I disagree?

What was Jack Ruby saying when he said the following to the Warren Commission:

The words of a man caught on tape committing pre-meditated murder. Wonder how credible he is?

Why did the Dallas police tip him off about the timing of the transfer of Oswald? Why did they allow him down the ramp?

Why not ask why the media was there to catch the killing on tape and thus send a warnig to all the other conspiritors!

Gee, how would a two-bit hood know where the police were taking a criminal? I'm sure Ruby knew how much time booking and processing took and simply waited for LHO to show and then killed him. Ruby thought he'd be a hero. He was wrong.

[Adam Smith]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
It's possible Kennedy was killed from bringing us to the brink of all-out nuclear war twice in two years.

Twice? Please explain.

[rah]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
He didn't have to acept the nomination for VP. Up until GHWB, it was the kiss of death to political careers.

In the last 60 years Truman and Nixon would dissagree with that statement. Not including Bush, 13 previous vice-presidents became president. Granted, not all were elected, but they did become president because of a different kiss of death

Gerald Ford
Richard Nixon
Lyndon Johnson
Harry Truman
Calvin Coolidge
Theodore Roosevelt
Chester Arthur
Andrew Johnson
Millard Fillmore
John Tyler
Martin Van Buren
Thomas Jefferson
John Adams

[Ned]

Also consider that Ruby was given a lie detector test where the lie detector indicated that Ruby was lying about not knowing LHO, not being part of a conspiracy and not being a member of the communist party - see the quote from the House Committee report below. Even though the lie detector indicated that Ruby was lying, the Warren commission went out of its way to discredit the results of the lie detector test. See below.

The discrediting of the lie detector test appears to have been politically motivated, IMHO.

Ruby clearly was part of a conspiracy.

"(97) The relevant questions on the first series and Ruby's answers were:

1. Did you know Oswald before November 22, 1963?
Answer. No.
2. Did you assist Oswald in the assassination?
Answer. No.

(98) Herndon concluded from his analysis of the charts that Ruby was truthful in answering these two relevant questions. He arrived at this conclusion by comparing Ruby's response to the control question (Have you ever been arrested? Answer: Yes.)

(99) As previously noted, the panel believed this to be an extremely poor control question.

(100) Herndon testified that Ruby's physiological response to this control question was recorded on the charts in terms of a "noticeable rise in his blood pressure." (127) The panel took issue with this conclusion because the rise in blood pressure occurred at least 7 seconds after Ruby answered. A response normally never occurs this long after the question. The typical reaction, would be in 1 or 2 seconds. Further, the panel noted that at the point of the rise in blood pressure, Herndon indicated on the chart (as "MF") that Ruby moved his feet. The panel believed that the rise in blood pressure most likely was caused by Ruby's movement and not his physiological reaction to the "control" question. This conclusion is corroborated by the fact that Ruby's breathing remained relaxed at the time of the rise in blood pressure, and the Galvanic skin response showed no reaction.

(101) In fact, the reactions to the preceding question--(Did you assist Oswald in the assassination?)--showed the largest valid GSR reaction in test series No. 1. In addition, there is a constant suppression of breathing and a rise in blood pressure at the time of this crucial relevant question. From this test, it appeared to the panel that Ruby was possibly lying when answering "no" to the question, "Did you assist Oswald in the assassination ?" This is contrary to Herndon's opinion that Ruby was truthful when answering that question.

(102) The relevant questions on the second series and Ruby's answers were:

1. Are you now a member of the Communist Party?
Answer. No.
2. Have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?
Answer. No.

(103) Herndon concluded that Ruby was truthful when answering these two questions. He testified that the only significant physiological change noted occurred in response to the question, "Have you ever been known by another name?" The response identified by Herndon was a rise in blood pressure. (128) However, Herndon stated that Ruby later said he was confused on how to answer the question because he had changed his name from Jack Rubenstein years before. Herndon testified that other variations in the breathing tracing were caused by Ruby's hesitating to answer some questions due to their length. (129)

(104) The panel noted that according to the transcript of the examination, Ruby did not answer the question about his having another name. Herndon told him not to answer because they had not reviewed it during the pretesting phase.(130) The panel concluded that Ruby's reaction was simply a false reaction to Herndon's unorthodox instruction after he asked the question. On the other hand, the panel noted large rise in blood pressure in response to the question, "Have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?", to which Ruby answered, "no."

(105) This question also evoked by far the most dramatic breathing reaction. Although Herndon claimed that the only variation in breathing in this series is caused by the length of the questions, this was certainly a short question, and it is much more likely he was referring to the other questions.(131)

(106) In fact, in regard to the question, Are you Communist Party?" Herndon stated, "there was no significant physiological change."(132) However, Herndon himself apparently wrote on the chart on this question, "slight suppression," which indicates a specific emotional change and one which is an excellent indicator of lying.

(107) It is interesting to note that, during the entire first testing session this is the only place where Herndon wrote on the chart anything having to do with the breathing, except on series 4, when he wrote as general comment, "Breathing irregular."

(108) In summary, the panel strongly disagreed with Herndon's opinions, and specifically with series 1 and 2, as discussed above. The panel concluded that the "lie" reactions on these two tests occurred on questions different from those suggested by Herndon. Based on its analysis of the charts themselves, and not considering the negative factors affecting the veracity of the examination, the panel could not form an opinion that Ruby told the truth when answering "No" to the four relevant questions asked on test series 1 and 2. On the contrary, the panel found more indication that Ruby was lying in response to these four questions."

http://www.jfk-online.com//rubyhscapoly.html

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Adam Smith
Twice? Please explain.

The building of the Berlin Wall and the Cuban Missile Crisis. On the later, he was initially prepared to go to war to stop it and American forces went on alert.

[TCO]

better dead than red. Kill a commie for Christ. Wolverines!!!!

[chequita guevara]

[TCO]

You best not tell on me to Ming.

[Ecthy]

Could you 2 overpoliticized guys stop spamming this thread? It's not quite topical.