How would you vote on the Canadian Alliance motion?

[MrFun]

Jon Miller -- how do you expect a minority group to react to society when society says they are not to have any legitimate recognition for their relationships?

[Jon Miller]

I said that I support unions for homosexuals (be they called marriage or something else, I do not care)

I personally think that that would help the commitment issues (I have not seen any data on places where there is such measures, so I am not sure if it will)

Jon Miller

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
homosexuals are known to have commitment problems

As opposed to heterosexuals, half of whose marriages end in divorce (in one Island chain in the Indian Ocean, the Moslem residents average three divorces), to say nothing of all the dating relationships that break up.

[Jon Miller]

if you look at data from studies you will fine that homosexuals will on average have more partners of the opposite sex than heterosexuals will have partners period and will have more partners of the same sex than they have of the opposite sex

also average relationship length is lower

I am not saying that homosexuality causes commitment problems (it seems probable that it is caused by societies treatment of homosexuals), I am merely stating that currently the relationship exists

Jon Miller

[chequita guevara]

You should state men have committment problems, cuz I don't see lesbians having lots of partners. I do see lots of straight and gay men philandering, and I also see lots of straight and gay married men being mongamous.

In fact, I find the argument ridiculous. Gay people aren't allowed to have a legally recognized monogamous relationship beacuse they're too promiscuous? If that's the case, why are they trying to get married!?!

[MrFun]

When did you do this research of yours, Jon Miller?

I would love to read your so-called report on the sociological studies you did on homosexuals.

[Drake Tungsten]

Jesus, Mr. Fun. Jon never claimed to be doing studies himself. Calm the **** down.

[MrFun]

Hey, being attacked by raptors in the Apolyton coffee shop tends to raise my blood pressure just A BIT.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Eh, your jabs miss the mark. I'm not Catholic yet, and I support both of these causes, provided adequate safeguards are imposed to prevent abuses.

I'm not out for blood here. Feel free to agree with me.

Are you following the the-unwashed-masses-aren't-paying-any-attention-to-me,-but-surely-they'll-care-what-a-bunch-of-fuddy-duddy-old-farts-on-Parliament-Hill-think train of thought?

Parody demands real skill, which I fear you lack.

Teach me the art of satire, oh renowned sage of the Unholy Dark Side of Evilish Evil.

[St Leo]

marriage is a sacred and holy bond. it was once, and always has been between a man and a woman. but times change, and unless straight people can once again show that marriage is what they say it is, then they really have no business being so hypocritical.

Two-Spirit People, Nadleeh, and Berdache in Native American Culture

Apparently not. My anthro textbook referred to this, so this is not just a lone crank site.

Greg Egan quote time!

"Screw all known human cultures." - Greg Egan, Distress

Note: WASPs are a culture too.

[MrFun]

Yeah marriage is so "sacred" that 50% of heteros bail out when they run into problems, cause they can't be arsed to work things out with the person they supposedly wanted to be with "till death do us part."

[Drake Tungsten]

Yeah marriage is so "sacred" that 50% of heteros bail out when they run into problems, cause they can't be arsed to work things out with the person they supposedly wanted to be with "till death do us part."

This just goes to show that marriage as an institution is already in dire straits. If you actually think marriage is a valuable thing for society, the last thing you should want to do right now is let a bunch of dudes get married and kill the whole thing off once and for all.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Yeah marriage is so "sacred" that 50% of heteros bail out when they run into problems, cause they can't be arsed to work things out with the person they supposedly wanted to be with "till death do us part."

This just goes to show that marriage as an institution is already in dire straits. If you actually think marriage is a valuable thing for society, the last thing you should want to do right now is let a bunch of dudes get married and kill the whole thing off once and for all.

Why do you cling to this heterosexist prejudice that monogamous homosexuals who marry will ruin the institution??

[Drake Tungsten]

Well, I think completely abandoning the traditional definition of marriage might affect the instititution somewhat. Call me crazy.

Not that I really care. I never said I wanted to save the institution of marriage.

[MrFun]

This is nothing but a slippery slope argument to make such a gross presumption that monogamous homosexuals who marry will degrade marriage as an institution.

And besides that, I prefer advocating for legally recognized civil unions -- not marriages. But if we are to discuss the possibility with marriage, don't make such slippery slope arguments that are based on gross presumptions and heterosexism.