So all WTO protestors are rich, white people?

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
JohnT: Can you post a picture of your baby?

Uh, sure...

[Dinner]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler
We'd have to include rules against eco-dumping into WTO law to address that.

Btw, most damage by US and EU subsidies is not done to african subsistence farmers, but to export oriented farming. That's mostly specialised cultures for Africa, or things like Argentinian beef.

Are you certain about this? I don't have figures but it seems like 1st world subsidies on things like cotton or sugar are bound to effect each 3rd world producer when he goes to the local market to sell his crop.

[Nubclear]

She's very cute

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by JohnT
You know, MOBIUS, if you weren't so goddamned ignorant of the other posters on this board, myself included, I'd actually waste some of my time and energy getting upset at your ad hominems. But given that your accusations and insults to my supposed religion do not, in fact, apply to the person that you are trying so desparately to insult, I'll let you wallow in your ignorance.

Could be that I have you mixed up with another 'john' poster from a couple of years ago, not that the christian part of it is particularly relevant - call it morals or ethics. Whatever. You don't appear to have any of them, because it seems in your eyes you'd rather have a few extra nickels in your pocket at the expense of 3rd world families dying of disease and famine...

My supposed ignorance as to whether you have one iota of a moral fibre in your body pales into insignificance with that comparison...

[Alexander's Horse]

did Mobius eat a bad prawn today or something?

[Spiffor]

I think it would be stupid to outright cancel agriculture subsidies in the EU, for non-economic reasons. It may apply to the US or not, I don't know.

However, reformation is clearly needed.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


You're just a sick twisted f*cker!

Well I'll be the last to care when something nasty befalls you...

Given your complete lack of concern when I have posted about "nasty" things that have befallen me, I don't even know why the above statement merited being posted. After all, it is self-evident from your years posting here that you don't care about anyone that is not an ideological soulmate.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


Could be that I have you mixed up with another 'john' poster from a couple of years ago, not that the christian part of it is particularly relevant - call it morals or ethics. Whatever. You don't appear to have any of them, because it seems in your eyes you'd rather have a few extra nickels in your pocket at the expense of 3rd world families dying of disease and famine...

My supposed ignorance as to whether you have one iota of a moral fibre in your body pales into insignificance with that comparison...

You pathetic, little, anger-driven posuer. What has the All-Caring, All-Loving MOBIUS done for the third world, other than whine on internet message boards and yell at London streetlamps? Please, show us the way to Love and Light!!!

[Nubclear]

COOL DOWN PEOPLE LEST MING COME AND DOUSE THIS THREAD

[Alexander's Horse]

well the big issue you are going to have to face in Europe is the implications of EU enlargement for the CAP. German farmers number in the thousands. Poland, only one of several EU applicants, has several million farmers. Who is going to pay for their subsidies?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
well the big issue you are going to have to face in Europe is the implications of EU enlargement for the CAP. German farmers number in the thousands. Poland, only one of several EU applicants, has several million farmers. Who is going to pay for their subsidies?

This is why the CAP needs a thorough reform. Currently, we are rewarding high production at the financial loss of the EU government (CAP represents about 40-50% of all the costs paid by the EU).
With our current CAP, we basically give huge subsidies to our agro corporations, while we barely help our Mom and Pop farms. This goes completely against the international rules we contributed to set. Besides, it follows an old doctrine that has no validity today: that Europe can develop a productive agriculture without being dependent from abroad (and from the US in particular). This aim has been reached decades ago, but the CAP didn't change...

I think the new aim for the CAP should be about keeping some peasants around, to keep the way of live alive, and most importantly to avoid wildlife taking ownership on too much land. In a country like Poland, I think the CAP should make it possible that staying a farmer can be an option: the Poles will adapt sooner or later their agriculture to modern standards. And when it happens, they'll have a terrible exodus from the countryside to the cities. The CAP can help prevent the exodus to be too sudden and too overwhelming.

I'm sure we can get MUCH money from stopping subsiding our competitive agro-business.

[Alexander's Horse]

Its your taxes....

[MrWhereItsAt]

I just wish the tariffs were not such a ceiling for NZ's economic growth. However efficiently, cheaply or innovatively products are made/grown here, exports and thus the entire economy depend more or less on the exchange rate, When the NZ dollar is lower than what it is really worth we do OK, as we start to be able to compete with the tariff-supported US, Euro and other products. When the dollar is anywhere near what it IS worth we can't compete because of enormous sums of money being given away to the farmers of the huge rich countries.

NZ is well-known for clean green agricultural exports, but farmers here don't do as well as they should, and EVERYONE is waiting for some reductions in tariffs. There are indications that Australia, which needs such reductions for exporting less than we do, may actually get them as a "thank you" for supporting Bush in the Iraq invasion. Whereas NZ, for supporting the UN that we helped found decades ago and for peacekeeping efforts in the Pacific and East Asia is told our contributions are unimportant. Man I hate that guy.

[Drake Tungsten]

There are indications that Australia, which needs such reductions for exporting less than we do, may actually get them as a "thank you" for supporting Bush in the Iraq invasion. Whereas NZ, for supporting the UN that we helped found decades ago and for peacekeeping efforts in the Pacific and East Asia is told our contributions are unimportant. Man I hate that guy.

That's what you get for supporting the UN. At least the Aussies were smart enough to figure out the wise course of action.

[MrFun]

Re: Re: So all WTO protestors are rich, white people?

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat





There are ignorant leftists everywhere to serve other people's agendas. Hippie gringos wouldn't go to Cancun to protest because the Mexican police would have their sorry asses, and the hippie gringos would rather party anyway.

Or maybe it's just that you like to stereotype an entire group of diverse people who happen to have a similar political/social ideology??