Israel decides to expel Arafat

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
. "obstacle to peace" or not, he's still the elected leader of the palestinians

Yeah, sure. An elected leader who has twice cancelled scheduled elections which he looked to be losing. He's a dictator and a terrorist sponsorer who should be shot.

[Bereta_Eder]

War for territory

nice video clip

[Joseph]

Good.

[Joseph]

They should send him to an Island in the Pacific where there no radio for him tell his buddie where he is.

[Straybow]

Damn thieving dictator—personal fortune estimated at $300 million IIRC, skimmed from UN funds and private donations to the PA and PLO. Track down every dime and seize it for infrastructure construction in PA territory. Then exile him to some tiny island without a phone line.

Oughta be prosecuted by the Euroweenies in the Hague, except of course they're too busy looking for reasons to harass the US for Iraq.

[GePap]

Only one problem with this "on desert Island". Israel does not have the means to do so..he would simply end up accross a border, whichever decided to take him.

[Sava]

big deal... the santa monica city council has agreed to impeach bush... doesn't mean it will happen

[Sirotnikov]

Only one problem with this "on desert Island". Israel does not have the means to do so..he would simply end up accross a border, whichever decided to take him.

Yes, like we never had th means to perform a paratrooper commando mission in Uganda... oh wait!

[GePap]

Find me a desert island between Israel and Uganda.

The route between Israel and the Indian ocean and Pacific Oceans are a bit more trickey than flying over African countries's who's airforces are, well, crap.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Lincoln
What every decision in that conflict brings. More violence.

True dat.

[Sirotnikov]

This means allowing the PA to have a significant armed force, this means to subzidizes the PA so that the Pals can thank their government for a "good" standard of living. This means making concessions on the important issues like geographic continuity and access to water. The aim is that the average Palestinian sees his situation getting better, and thank his anti-Islamist government as the reason of it.

That is so true.
And you know what?
It has been tried between 1993-2000.

And you know what?

The "moderate palestinian government" spit in our face by allowing the fanatics to control the street and create a wave of terror, thus fighting a proxy-war on Israel, while appearing clean to the out-side world.

We won't fall for that crap again. They had their real chance.


For god's sake - do you remember Rabin? You liked him right? You trust his judgement?

Well shortly before being killed, he began telling people close to his cabinet that unless Arafat changed his ways soon, he will be flying back to Tunis on a missile.

And that was Rabin.

For the love of god I don't get why Nethanyahu and Sharon took so much time avoiding getting the old hag out of here.

[Sava]

Arafat is a terrorist and should be shot... the Palestinians need to find a peaceful leader if they ever want to end the cycle of violence... Israel wont, and shouldn't, stand by while their civilians are killed. I feel pity for the Palestinian innocents who die from IDF actions, but they are not targetted, as the Israeli innocents are. That's the key difference in this conflict and why Israel's cause and actions are justified.

[PLATO]

Sadly, exile will only heighten his exposure and the sense of injustice he tries to create among the Pals. He showed his true colors with Barak. He says he wants to stop the violence, but when offered the best deal the Pals are likely to ever get, he walks away. He does not want peace or a Pal state. He is a man of hatred. Nothing less than the destruction of Israel will satisfy him. There will be no peace until he is dead.

[GePap]

Originally posted by PLATO
Sadly, exile will only heighten his exposure and the sense of injustice he tries to create among the Pals. He showed his true colors with Barak. He says he wants to stop the violence, but when offered the best deal the Pals are likely to ever get, he walks away. He does not want peace or a Pal state. He is a man of hatred. Nothing less than the destruction of Israel will satisfy him. There will be no peace until he is dead.

Perhaps the problem was thinking that Camp David was the best deal the Pals could get (which isn;t even true, since Talba was even better).

Again, Arafat's sins is weakness. The question is, what can be done so that the average Palestinian thinks a peace deal is worth it?

To say it is all about him is absurd, it isn't. He is an excuse (speically for himself) for not lookin at the underlying problems.

[PLATO]

GePap, I am not familiar with the Talba deal? What did they pass up?

You may be right that Arafat is an excuse, but I think that he is more of a symbol. For over three decades he has been the face of the Pals to the world. He controls the foces of the PA and directs th matryrs brigade. How much of this is pulled off by his leadership? Probably quite a bit due to his contacts and influence (not to mention personal wealth). He is definately not the whole problem, but he is a symbol of it and a promoter of it. When he passes on these things may have a window in which change is possible. Until then, it is hard to imagine any peace deal being acceptable to the Pals.