It's official: Berlusconi is nuts!!!

[Sloth]

Berlusconi fumbles again: "I did not want to defend Mussolini..I just reacted as a true patriot when they compared Mussolini to Saddam"...
sooo.."our dictator is better than yours" attitude?

[Arrian]

and they'd still go round on scooters, saying 'ciao'.

Eddie reference +1.

And yeah, this guy is priceless. I echo SpencerH's thoughts.

-Arrian

[Sloth]

I have to admit that I didn't get it..yes we have a scooter called "ciao"..so what????

[jolair]

I thougt the facist in the italian goverment was Fini (and Bossi the racist).

In my opinion Fini is even more dangerous for Italy than Berlusconi.

BTW, cosa sucede con il partito riformista, andra' avanti?

[Arrian]

No, it's from a comedy routine by a guy named Eddie Izzard.

Hang on a sec...

-Arrian

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit

Q:Why is people still voting him?
A:Because he's a good businessman, and people trust him because no matter what he does, he could never do more disasters than 10 years of lefty government

I always assumed it is rather, because he controls a majority of the italian Mass Media and therefore can feed the Italian Population everything he likes
(and so usually not things, which may be considered critical voices about his government )
Even Goebels already knew about the Value of he Control o Mass Media (and I think, Napoleon too, although at this time Mass Media was just Newspapers and Flyers).
Berlusconi seems to be just as skillful in using these Media

[Arrian]

From "Dress to Kill"

Italy invented fascism in 1922. Mussolini said, "Right, we're all fascists!" but most Italian people are always on scooters going, "Ciao!" And they're into football, and life, and they're not fascists, you know? He said, "We're all fascists!" "All right, ciao!" No helmet on… ( imitates scooter running ) All those 50s films, like “Roman Holiday,” it's just like that! Everyone's just cool and hangs out.

...

America, you have the American Dream, you have the American Dream! We haven’t got the European Dream yet, that’s what we’ve got to get; we’ve got to get a dream to build on. You have the American Dream; the dream is to be born in the gutter, and raise, and grow up and get all the money in the world and stick it in your ears and go ( blows raspberry ) The American Dream! A fantastic dream of money in your ears and swimming through fivers. The American Dream!

In Europe… I don’t know, we haven’t got a dream yet. Well, the dream was… ( mimics sleeping and dreaming ) “Oh… get off, you ****in’…! Flag. No!” ( wakes up with a gasp )

“Hilda, Hilda, wake up, Hilda!”

“What is it, Dr. Heimlich, you waking-up type person?”

“I’ve dreamed the European Dream. I dreamt that every country in Europe spoke a different language and they hated each other… Oh, that’s true, isn’t it? Yes.”

That was the dream, but now, maybe now, the dream is to be in the South of Europe – to be in Greece, in Italy, in Spain, and to be on a moped with no helmet on, riding along, going, “ciao!”

That’s a pretty cool dream; it’s not much of a dream, but it’s as good as we’ve got so far, and it’s pretty funky, ‘cause when you die… you look a mess, but I don’t know, I just like it. ( mimics riding on a Vespa ) ‘Cause you’re in a ****ing hairdryer. There’s dogs walking faster than you! It’s just pretty damn cool for me. That’s the European Dream, thank you very much. Good night.

-Arrian

[Sloth]

Yes controlling the media is important...but still he would be a role model for many even with "fair" coverage by the media...you've seen this Datajack guy feeding us the "successful entrepreneur marred by envy" routine....

BTW, many years ago my mother met his mother at a shop...she kept saying that the worst thing in world is ENVY.....

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit
Q:Why is people still voting him?
A:Because he's a good businessman, and people trust him because no matter what he does, he could never do more disasters than 10 years of lefty government

Could it also be because at the time of the elections he effectively controlled 90% of the media?

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by paiktis22


Could it also be because at the time of the elections he effectively controlled 90% of the media?

let's not forget journalists forced to resign because they criticized Berlusconi in an article

He's a total nutcase, but I have to give it to him: he plays it perfectly. Everybody knows he's corrupt, lies and deceives and the whole shebang, but for some reason he manages to stay in control, manipulating everything around him so he doesn't get into trouble... He always seems to miraculously escape trials and so forth

unbelievable the Italians actually take his crap
and the argument that Italians don't care is pretty strange... you're choosing the politician that decides how you live, how money is spent etc... how in the hell can you not care????

[pchang]

The government pretends to govern and the people pretend to pay taxes.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Could it also be because at the time of the elections he effectively controlled 90% of the media?

Come to think of it, this is an impressive feat. This guy is in direct control of all the mainstream private media, and he is in indirect control on all public media

Any dictator wanabee would be stunned by such an impressive success in a democratic country

[realpolitic]

Let's see how long this lasts. My knowlegde of post-war Italy is limited, but I've read that the reason they've had so many governments is the backlash from fascism, similiar to the backlash in Germany and Japan. I bet Berlusconi's fall will be surprisingly fast.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Chirac= liar and thief
Bush= liar and nuts
Berlusconi= liar, thief and nuts. The best of two worlds

Isn't being a liar a prereq for being a politician? So we shouldn't give Berlusconi credit for that .

[Sloth]

Originally posted by realpolitic
Let's see how long this lasts. My knowlegde of post-war Italy is limited, but I've read that the reason they've had so many governments is the backlash from fascism, similiar to the backlash in Germany and Japan. I bet Berlusconi's fall will be surprisingly fast.

Now I' very busy but next week we'll discuss this. I'll to demonstrate that this "too many governments" things was not very important....in a new thread