Israel bombing victim had just given 9/11 talk in NYC

[Dinner]

Besides, there's a significant amount of Palestinians with the Israeli nationality. I'm sure the Hamas & co could find quite a few recruits in this pool.

No question that this is a problem.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Besides, Oerdin, it is an impressive oversimplification: Israel needs the Palestinians for a great many low-wage work, and both economies are closely interdependent and intertwined. You can't simply keep all the Palestinians at bay, or Israel will require a huge and damaging restructuration.

Actually, all throught the 90's the Israelis have done as much as they can to divorce their economy from cheap palestinians labor..there are tens of thousands (perhaps well over 100,000) Asian and East european immigrants in Israel now doing the jobs Palestinians once occupied. This is what allows Israel to shut down all access to Israel for Palestinians without having to worry about who is the bus boy or the construction workers. This of course has lead to a significant rise in Pal unemployment (same was true before Sept. 2000), given that the pal economy could not in it's condition replace those lost jobs.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Oerdin
This problem is easily solved by keeping the Palestinains, who have large numbers of terrorists in their population and whom can't be trusted, in their own country while the Isaelis promote the immigration of more eastern European Jews.

"large numbers"? Care to tell us the number?

There aren't many eastern european Jews (the nazis took care of that mostly), and most immigrants aren;t jewish anymore. This will certainly be an interesting demographic issue for Israel to deal with: in trying to separate themselves from the pals, they import lost of other non-Jews....

[Sirotnikov]

Now, would the IDF also be justified in going after people who attack only members of the IDF who are engaged in acts of oppression or aggression?

Define oppression and aggerssion.

If you define it to be harassment and cruelty towards palestinians - then I would suggest they report to Israeli authorities. The military police, the high court of justice. Or just call the Israeli press. It loves to cover rotten soldiers.

If you define it to be the normal defensive actions of the IDF or targetted strikes against militant targets, then I inform you that I consider these actions on behalf of the IDF to be both legitimate and justified.

If the pals were only to target Israeli government and military, they would earn the possibility not to be considered terrorists.

[David Floyd]

If you define it to be harassment and cruelty towards palestinians - then I would suggest they report to Israeli authorities. The military police, the high court of justice. Or just call the Israeli press. It loves to cover rotten soldiers.

OK, so if armed soldiers are harrassing you and displaying cruelty towards you and others around you, are you saying you don't think you should have the right to resist?

If the pals were only to target Israeli government and military, they would earn the possibility not to be considered terrorists.

I agree - this is what they should do. Target ONLY these targets - stop intentionally killing civilians.

If you define it to be the normal defensive actions of the IDF or targetted strikes against militant targets, then I inform you that I consider these actions on behalf of the IDF to be both legitimate and justified.

Then again, I don't consider the state of Israel legitimate or justified, so your arguments about strikes against Palestinian military targets sound sorta like aggression to me - that is, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place if there was no state of Israel, and the problem would be much reduced if Israel would get out of the territories they have conquered over the years.

[Dinner]

They can get Jews from other countries but mostly they need to increase their birth rate. World Jewish population by country:

United States 5,800,000
Israel 4,847,000
France 600,000
Russia 550,000
Ukraine 400,000
Canada 360,000
United Kingdom 300,000
Argentina 250,000
Brazil 130,000
South Africa 106,000
Australia 100,000
Hungary 80,000
Belarus 60,000
Germany 60,000
Mexico 40,700
Belgium 40,000
Italy 35,000
Uzbekistan 35,000
Venezuela 35,000
Uruguay 32,500
Azerbaijan 30,000
Moldova 30,000
Netherlands 30,000
Iran 25,000
Turkey 25,000
Sweden 18,000
Switzerland 18,000
Georgia 17,000
Chile 15,000
Kazakhstan 15,000
Latvia 15,000
Romania 14,000
Spain 14,000
Austria 10,000
Denmark 8,000
Poland 8,000
Morocco 7,500
Hawaii, USA 7,000
Panama 7,000
Czech Republic 6,000
India 6,000
Lithuania 6,000
Slovakia 6,000
Colombia 5,650
Greece 5,000
New Zealand 5,000
Kyrgyzstan 4,500
Bulgaria 3,000
Estonia 3,000
Peru 3,000
Puerto Rico 3,000
Costa Rica 2,500
Hong Kong 2,500
Yugoslavia 2,500
Croatia 2,000
Japan 2,000
Tunisia 2,000
Tajikistan 1,800
Norway 1,500
Guatemala 1,200
Finland 1,200
Paraguay 1,200
Turkmenistan 1,200
Cuba 1,000
Ecuador 1,000
Ireland 1,000
Monaco 1,000
Zimbabwe 925
Portugal 900
Yemen 800
Bosnia-Herzegovina 600
Gibraltar 600
Luxembourg 600
Ethiopia 500
Kenya 400
Netherlands Antilles 400
US Virgin Islands 400
Bolivia 380
Zaire 320
Jamaica 300
Singapore 300
Dominican Republic 250
Philippines 250
Syria 250
Thailand 250
Armenia 200
Bahamas 200
Suriname 200
South Korea 150
El Salvador 120
Iraq 120
Tahiti 120

[Dinner]

Still, killing 25 million Jews 60 years ago represented the vast majority of the world's Jewish population.

[Tattila the Hun]

Now, why does someone count the amount of jews in countries?
The purpose?

[Dinner]

I found the figures here:

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html

The Jewish Virtual library which is run by the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise. What ever that is.

[Drake Tungsten]

Now, why does someone count the amount of jews in countries?
The purpose?

To know how many Jews live in those countries?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Still, killing 25 million Jews 60 years ago represented the vast majority of the world's Jewish population.

25 million? How you get that number, champ? 5.9 million Jews died in the Holocaust (plus four to five million others).