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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
    No, I prefer to be a dim.
    Nowhere do "Brights" assert that people with religious beliefs are "dim," nor is that the intent of the label.
    Tutto nel mondo è burla

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Agathon
      Penn and Teller. Everyone knows that it's only one step from pulling rabbits out of hats to Satan's fiery grasp.
      I'd rather be associated with them than many others...have you seen [i]Bull****[i] on Showtime? It's superb--wonderful at debunking popular myths and new age nonsense.
      Tutto nel mondo è burla

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Odin




        [Cheap Troll]
        You don't qualify because you are a catholic.
        [/Cheap Troll]

        Bah! We invented the Dark Ages you heretic! Now, back to the stake!
        "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

        "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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        • #19
          I like everything but the name, it strikes me as a bit pretentious.
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          • #20
            No, I'm not a bright, I'm a goddam atheist.
            That has to be pretty high up there in annals of monumentally stupid terms, when I read the editorial that announced this a while ago, all I could think of was...

            Rainbow Brite
            See the shining light
            Yes I'm gonna take ya to Rainbow Brite
            Starlite flies
            Right before your eyes
            And rainbow colors will cheer you up
            Magic Light
            Gonna take you for a ride...
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            Stop Quoting Ben

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            • #21
              blah

              this sounds like one of those annoying "womyn" type terms
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #22
                Penn and Teller are cool man

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                • #23
                  "Softening" the name isn't going to make the problem go away. In some places atheists and the like will still be confronted. The only way out is to stand your ground and fight.
                  (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                  (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                  (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                  • #24
                    sorry I can't resist..

                    When you meet a brand new friend
                    It opens up a world
                    A world whose brightness never ends
                    It opens up the world
                    It's filled with joy and rich in color
                    There are rainbows to be found there
                    If you just take a look around there
                    Making brand new friends
                    (Chorus)
                    Bring a shining light to every face
                    It shines for all to see
                    It'll make the world a brighter place
                    Rainbow Brite and me (Repeat)
                    When you dream of distant stars
                    And open up your eyes
                    A light comes shining from afar
                    That lets you reach the skies
                    Places that you thought were dreamlands
                    Turn from dreamlands to believelands
                    When you take a helping hand
                    Making brand new friends
                    (Chorus 2 times)
                    Rainbow Brite
                    A world of friends
                    A world that's filled with love she sends...
                    So that the shining light in every face
                    It shines for all to see
                    To make the world a brighter place
                    Rainbow Brite and me (Repeat)
                    Stop Quoting Ben

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                    • #25
                      Penn and Teller are cool man


                      Teller is cool. Penn is a ****ing douchebag.
                      KH FOR OWNER!
                      ASHER FOR CEO!!
                      GUYNEMER FOR OT MOD!!!

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                      • #26
                        I'm very bright, but that's because my job at Olkiluoto Nuclear Plant.
                        I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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                        • #27
                          Common misconceptions about Brights and their hopeful meme:

                          1. By calling ourselves Brights, we are calling people with other worldviews unintelligent.

                          People who aren't gay aren't necessarily sad. Men who don't join Promise Keepers aren't necessarily Promise Breakers. Bright, as a noun, means only "possessing a worldview that is naturalistic." There is no antonym for this new word, any more than there is an antonym for Brazilian or fish tank. As an adjective, bright has at least seven different meanings. Only one is "Animatedly clever; intelligent". That all of the meanings are more or less positive is not a bad thing as it would be foolish indeed to style ourselves the Dumbs or the Sleazies.

                          2. The Brights Movement seeks to convert people with religious affiliations to a naturalistic worldview.

                          At present, the main goal is to contact people with naturalistic worldviews and ask them to sign up to be counted in the international Bright constituency. At this time America is the focus, but all are invited. People with a religious affiliation who also have a naturalistic worldview are welcomed. In the longer term, the Brights Movement intends to create awareness, change the vocabulary of mainstream society, and increase the visibility of people who have a naturalistic worldview.

                          3. Bright is a synonym for atheist.

                          If the terms were indeed the same, there wouldn't be any point to coining a new one. Most atheists may be Brights, but not all Brights are atheists. Someone who rejected theism but believed in ghosts or a bearded elf who brings presents every December 25th would not be a Bright.

                          4. To sign up as a Bright one is expected to call oneself a Bright.

                          Many people who have signed on at http://www.the-brights.net/ prefer to call themselves atheists or agnostics, as can be seen via links on the page Meet Some Brights. While some have expressed outright dislike for "Bright" they apparently recognise the utility of the neologism and the value of being counted among those who share one of their most basic values. According to the latest information, thousands of Brights have registered and there are known Brights in 74 countries. All are recognised as individuals with something in common. Some, like myself, are enthusiastic and are spreading the news.

                          5. If I use the word Bright to describe myself I'll sound stuck-up, pretentious, or New Age.

                          Some might think I was pretentious if I refer to myself with technical or academic-sounding terms such as reductivist materialist or secular humanist. What matters is if I'm actually stuck-up or not. As for the charge that Brights are somehow part of New Age supernatural beliefs, the idea is obviously false.

                          6. Other terms, such as humanist, atheist, or rationalist, are better.

                          Bright is more inclusive. Brights include humanists but humans are not automatically a Bright's focus. Someone whose main interest is astronomy or microbiology and is free from superstition is also a Bright. Brights include rationalists but also include those who believe experience is a better teacher than reason. Some Brights are agnostics and some are atheists. Terms like atheist, godless, and unbeliever are negatives that focus on something missing, not to mention their heavy historical baggage. People who have decided to call themselves Brights have decided to refer to themselves by what they have, not what they do not.

                          7. Neologisms are doomed to failure.

                          When Thomas Henry Huxley invented the word agnostic in the Spring of 1869, he could not know if the term would catch on but he could see the need for it. Only time will tell if the new meaning of bright will catch on. For now, it's good to keep in mind that people easily adapt to new meanings for old words. Just count the "posts" in this "thread". We hope the new meaning is a "meme", which is an idea considered to replicate through a culture through imitation. If you're already familiar with the concept of a meme, think about how recently it entered the English language.

                          8. Brights are not persecuted and there is no need for unity.

                          It is a pleasant reality that people with a naturalistic worldview rarely suffer violent physical attacks. Unfortunately, the probable reason is that Brights are often invisible. Some communities are overwhelmingly religious and those who differ simply remain silent or pretend to conform. Desensitised to opinion pieces with titles like "Atheists have too much power in this country" (Sioux City Journal September 7, 2003), Brights sometimes don't notice that no credible publication would single out worldviews like Hinduism or Judaism as having too much power but Brights are fair game. Presidential candidate George H.W. Bush stated in 1987 "I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." Imagine the backlash he would have suffered if he had directed that comment at a religion. Such a bigot would never have been elected. Sadly, since his bigotry was against an invisible and demonised minority, his attitude may even have helped his campaign.

                          Did you know:

                          In a survey published in the early 1980s, 71% of Americans thought that atheists speaking against religion should not be permitted use of civic auditoriums.

                          In the same survey, only 26% agreed that atheists should have the right to make fun of the religious no matter who was offended.

                          According to a 1999 survey by Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) the anti-religious bias in media some theists see is simply not there. Quite the contrary: "Religion is one of the favourite cover subjects of Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News and World Report." In a 1997 Time cover story titled "Does Heaven Exist?" not a single source said no.

                          The backlash is already beginning. Beliefnet, Inc. has issued two pieces critical of the Brights Movement. You can see one by Beliefnet co-founder Steven Waldman and the Brights' response for yourself under Essays at http://www.the-brights.net . I did a Google search for "naturalistic worldview" and an article which attempts to smear evolutionists as UFO nuts was the second highest result. Just as the term "secular humanist" was used as a weapon by those who would demonise us, so will "naturalistic worldview" and "Bright" if they are allowed.
                          Above all, avoid zeal. --Tallyrand.

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                          • #28
                            You're going to Hell, Boshko.
                            Adios, mother****er.

                            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                            "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                            • #29
                              I knew a guy whose name was Bright once. He wasn't. Not at all.

                              The name is pretentious, no matter what the "Brights" say publicly. That aside, it's also just a dumb name.

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                              • #30
                                heard about this a long time ago on aldaily.
                                B♭3

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