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  • #16
    Re: Bush's approval reaches new low

    Originally posted by realpolitic
    According to a Zogby poll, Bush's approval, has reached a new low - 45%
    Only 2 years ago, his approval rating was 82%. Looks like my prediction was right, next November, he won't be able to beat Woody Allen.
    The 45% is not a real indicator because right now we have all the democrats running for their nomination but Bush doesn't have to run for his. So, basically you got all the dems that are the only ones out in the public campaigning.

    It is still a year to the election. A lot can happen. When Bush starts campaigning, the numbers will shift to his favor.
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    • #17
      This poll does point to a successful Bush initiative
      Operation Infinite Justice

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      • #18
        Any guesses as to what the shortened name of that should be?
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        • #19
          Originally posted by realpolitic


          Jesus couldn't stop the attacks in Iraq. Terrorism in the Middle East has continued unabated since '48. Before he was he was Emperor, Bush ran vertually ever company he ran into the ground. He's not someone who could run a "Mission Impossible" team.

          Where are all the neocoms hiding - the ones who said I was a leftwing nut? It's harder to label me nuts now that America has woken up.
          IT is possible that the US can get an Iraq government and army up and running with in the next year. THis would greatly reduce the attacks on US forces and show the American people that progress in Iraq is being made.
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          • #20
            Obviously it should be OIJ, you fool. You owe me a fried baloney sandwich now.
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            • #21
              If the economy picks up some steam, Bush wins.
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              • #22
                Yep, it's all about the economy.
                Something the president has really very little influence on.
                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rah
                  Something the president has really very little influence on.


                  I think of all people, Bush has the MOST influence on the economy. What he does can make or break it.
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                  • #24
                    Zogby is traditionally one of the polls most biased towards the Democrats.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Re: Bush's approval reaches new low

                      Originally posted by The diplomat


                      The 45% is not a real indicator because right now we have all the democrats running for their nomination but Bush doesn't have to run for his. So, basically you got all the dems that are the only ones out in the public campaigning.

                      It is still a year to the election. A lot can happen. When Bush starts campaigning, the numbers will shift to his favor.
                      How many people are paying attention to the Democrats right now? Besides people keenly interested in politics, hardly any. The election is too far away for that. Hell, 2/3 of Democrats can't name any of the candidates, so saying the Democratic campaigning is somehow having an effect on Bush's approval rating is ludicrous. Presidential approval numbers simply aren't effected by opposition campaigning this early.

                      Bush's numbers are low because people have a low opinion of his performance, period. The Democrats don't have much to do with that (unfortunately, since they've mostly been so spineless).

                      To those who say the economy improving will ensure his victory--don't count on it. Right now the economy is in more dismal shape re: jobs than Bush Sr. had at this point in 1991. And Bush Sr.s' economy DID improve. The recession ended well before his defeat. The problem was that it was a jobless recovery. That's exactly what we're seeing right now.

                      History seems to be repeating itself with the Bushes...
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
                        Zogby is traditionally one of the polls most biased towards the Democrats.
                        You were called on this in another thread, and you slunk away. Put your money where your mouth is and show it. You were dead wrong on Zogby's numbers regarding the 2000 election.

                        Zogby has one of the best track records of all polling outfits when it comes to accuracy.
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                        • #27
                          45%?

                          I don't think so, and interestingly, neither does Gallup, which has him at 59% overall.



                          GEORGE W. BUSH JOB APPROVAL ON ISSUES

                          2003 Aug 25-26

                          (sorted by "approve")

                          Approve
                          Disapprove
                          Terrorism
                          66
                          31

                          Overall Job Approval
                          59
                          37

                          The situation with Iraq
                          57
                          41

                          Foreign Affairs
                          55
                          42

                          Taxes
                          52
                          44

                          Energy policy
                          47
                          44

                          The economy
                          45
                          52

                          Healthcare policy
                          43
                          48

                          Medicare
                          40
                          48

                          The federal budget deficit
                          39
                          55

                          You can color numbers all kinds of ways, but it's wishful thinking that he is now at 45% overall, try to be intellectually honest in these threads, and they would be a LOT more interesting.
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                          • #28
                            Speaking of being intellectually honest, you could note that the Gallup numbers are from Aug 25-26, while the Zogby numbers above are from Sep 6. This in line with the trend of his steadily declining approval rating. Of course, different polling outfits will give various numbers, but the downward trend of late is undeniable.
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                            • #29
                              The problem is this: The economy can grow at 3%, and that can still not be enough. Economic growth must outpace productivity growth AND the growth of the workforce COMBINED. Otherwise, the unemployment rate goes up and more people are unhappy.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Boris Godunov
                                Speaking of being intellectually honest, you could note that the Gallup numbers are from Aug 25-26, while the Zogby numbers above are from Sep 6. This in line with the trend of his steadily declining approval rating. Of course, different polling outfits will give various numbers, but the downward trend of late is undeniable.
                                You believe his points dropped 14 percentage points in 10 days?

                                You know that isn't the case, the same as I do Boris, and you trust Zogby polls more than Gallup?
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