France, Germany Criticize Iraq Resolution

[Defiant]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Theres no such person as chemical ali. You must be referring to "conventional Ali" , since Iraq never had any chemical weapons.

nicely put LotM.

[Japher]

So is Kim Il Jong, but we arnt about to invade them. Same with Somalia, but we arnt there, same with Congo, but we arnt there. Killing billions is no longer a reason, expecially when you ignore some and choose others.

I guess your right, but there was also the "little" thing about Sadam supporting the terrorists...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


Where's saddam? thats the million dollar question. First he's dead, now he's gone.
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we havent found him, after searching for months. Obviously he never existed - all reports of his existence were lies by Bush and Blair

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Yup. where are they? Iraq had them in the early '90's - no one disputes that - what do you say happened to them?

I don't know, you tell me.

Theres no such person as chemical ali. You must be referring to "conventional Ali" , since Iraq never had any chemical weapons.

I never said that. In 1989, Saddam launched a gas attack on the Kurds in Halabjah. He also launched gas attacks against the Iranians. Obviously those weapons dont existe anymore, or we would have found them

Larry, take your sub par grades from school and go away, don't go away mad, just go away.

Awwww Im sorry. Did I bust your bubble of self delusionment?

Wheres this? What city in Iraq doesnt have water now?

Baghdad, Tikrit, Karbala, Nassiriyah, Mosul

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


You still have not cited anything in the UNSC debate that responded to Powells assertion.

For what? It's irrelevant. All your argument can amount to is that the SC SHOULD have authorized war. It didn't. And "should have" does not replace a resolution.

If you think a judge should have convicted someone, but didn't, that doesn't give you a right to go lynching.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

I guess your right, but there was also the "little" thing about Sadam supporting the terrorists...

And how about that 'little' thing of Somalia being a terrorist state, or of Syria supporting terrorists, or how about Pakistan supporting terrorists in the Kashmir?

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


You must be referring to "conventional Ali"

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


Baghdad, Tikrit, Karbala, Nassiriyah, Mosul

'Baghdad, Iraq...August 17, 2003 - A water main serving Baghdad was ruptured today, around 7am this morning.

Engineering crews have been working all day to repair the damage.

Water supply is expected to be restored later this evening.

Faris Abdul Razaq Al-Aasam Deputy Mayor of Baghdad said:

"Ordinarily it would take 36 hrs to restore the water supply after a break of this sort but the dedicated work of city employees means that I expect water to be restored by late this evening."'

Coalition Press Release.

Come back when you have some facts.

[Defiant]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


And how about that 'little' thing of Somalia being a terrorist state, or of Syria supporting terrorists, or how about Pakistan supporting terrorists in the Kashmir?

Now you are finally starting to understand why we now have a presence in the ME(the breeding ground for terrorists). If Somalia or near by regions fly an aircraft into buildings here in America, be ready for another war on the African continent. Our shot into Iraq is a warning for these other countries that we will not tolerate hits to America.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia



I never said that. In 1989, Saddam launched a gas attack on the Kurds in Halabjah. He also launched gas attacks against the Iranians. Obviously those weapons dont existe anymore, or we would have found them

So what happened to them between 1989 and 2002. Where did they go?

[child of Thor]

It must be very galling(sp?) for President Bush and his main 'hawks' in the cabinet.

I notice he isnt saying much about it, but from the John Wayne bravado at the outset, to having to swallow this rather large dose of 's**t maybe we need the UN after all!?'.
Very embarassing, hell i'm embarassed for him - and i tend to feel he represents the anti-christ

Still i think we(the U.S. and U.K.) should just shoulder this problem of our creation - i hope the rest of the world just tells us to go f**k ourselves. This whole twisted event needs to go down in history for exactly what it is. The truth is slowly coming out as the the reasons and events leading up to this bungle, we should start to watch and act upon our governments activities much more closely.

What a climb down, its glorious if you can ignore all the inoccent people it killed and is killing(our boyz).

[lord of the mark]

"quote:
12. Decides to convene immediately upon receipt of a report in accordance with paragraphs 4 or 11 above, in order to consider the situation and the need for full compliance with all of the relevant Council resolutions in order to secure international peace and security;

13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations"

It did not explicitly authorize war. It ALSO did not explicitly say that a second resolution was required. It was a compromise between the two sides that avoided the question of whether a second resolution would be needed in order to keep the UNSC united. I doubt either side will ever agree with a compromise like that again.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by child of Thor

It must be very galling(sp?) for President Bush and his main 'hawks' in the cabinet.

I notice he isnt saying much about it, but from the John Wayne bravado at the outset, to having to swallow this rather large dose of 's**t maybe we need the UN after all!?'.
Very embarassing, hell i'm embarassed for him - and i tend to feel he represents the anti-christ

Still i think we(the U.S. and U.K.) should just shoulder this problem of our creation - i hope the rest of the world just tells us to go f**k ourselves. This whole twisted event needs to go down in history for exactly what it is. The truth is slowly coming out as the the reasons and events leading up to this bungle, we should start to watch and act upon our governments activities much more closely.

What a climb down, its glorious if you can ignore all the inoccent people it killed and is killing(our boyz).

climbdown ?
Wolfie now says that he always supported the notion of UN troops as long as it was under US command. It was Kofi Annan, after the UN bombing, who suggested a UN force under a US commander - it was the UN that climbed down.


We created a problem? Ask the Iraqis - ask them if they would choose to go back to before, when they didnt have the "problem".

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Once again, we didnt create "this mess" Iraq was a "mess" for the entire period Saddam was in power. Hardly anyone in Iraq would go back to the situation as it was before the coalition went in. There are still plenty of problems. ...

You removed one big problem: Saddam

But you created at least 3 new big problems:
1) A damaged infrastructure, particularly water treatment, but plenty of other problems as well. And you lack the funds to fix it.
2) Anarchy, terrorism, and etnic conflicts, which you lack the manpower to keep at bay.
3) Massive unemployment, leading to poverty and more anarchy

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Now you are finally starting to understand why we not have a presence in the ME(the breeding ground for terrorists). If Somalia or near by regions fly and craft into buildings here in America, be ready for another war on the African continent. Our shot into Iraq is a warning for these other countries that we will not tolerate hits to America.

And the only reason they will do that is because we are ****ing around with them. If we leave them alone, our problems dissapear. The simple fact is that we dont have the support of the population, and no country has been held long when the people dont support the occupier. Invading wont solve the problem, it will only compound it.

And heres for lotm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3184683.stm