Tweet
well excuse me for trying to contribute to your position... 
-
To us, it is the BEAST. -
Re:laborOriginally posted by Ramo
Stop jacking my thread. We've had plenty of others on labor in Colombia, Indonesia, etc. This is about Iraq.
An interesting issue.
Its hardly surprising that lots of US contractors have anti-labor records - given how many US firms in general have such records, it would be hard to get a lot of union friendly firms in unless you specifically went looking for them.
In the occupation of Japan, the US tended to support labor organization. This was largely due to the occupation being staffed by ex-New Dealers, despite MacArthur at the top. Not sure who exactly is staffing the CPA - mainly Dept of State people, I think. Not new dealers by a long shot. And i doubt the most progressive ones are lining up to go into Iraq. Bigger concern is that CPA is understaffed generally.
Building up independent labor unions, though not the sort of thing I'd expect from this admin, would be an excellent way of building up Iraqi civil society. Have we forgotten already the role labor played in Poland???
The speficic incident involving the labor leader i wil wait for further info from a reliable source.
I think you have pointed out an excellent issue however.
Liberate Iraq!!! Empower Iraqi labor!!!!"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
-
As to your article, I guess the source (Counterpunch) makes me discount it from the start. No better than Cuba's news agency. Makes the Washington Times appear white as the driven snow on bias.
Good try though.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
-
Relax dude I, wasn't totally serious. I just don't want the thread to degenerate into the thousandth time we rehashed the war on terror.well excuse me for trying to contribute to your position...
USLAW said that 8 out of 18 are completely non-Union. That's a pretty impressively totalitarian statistic that would be pretty hard to achieve purely by randomly picking firms.Its hardly surprising that lots of US contractors have anti-labor records - given how many US firms in general have such records, it would be hard to get a lot of union friendly firms in unless you specifically went looking for them.
Oh come on. Just search for "union of the unemployed" and "arrested" on google, and pick the first source you find reliable.The speficic incident involving the labor leader i wil wait for further info from a reliable source."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
-
Then take the same advice I just gave lotm and search for it on google."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
-
Update of the Union of the Unemployed situation dated the 18th:
We have been participating daily with the Union of the Unemployed in Iraq for the past nineteen days in colourful, creative, powerful sit-ins outside Bremmer's H.Q. and actions such as marches and teach-ins. The union is demanding jobs or,in their absence emergency social security benefits of 100 dollars a month per family. U.S. soldiers have arrested, detained, brutalized and intimidated over 70 of the union members, including the Union's leadership, calling them thieves and demanding the immediate suspension of the protest."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
-
Done. Most references were on far left sites. Found sources in presumably mainstream aussie papers - an aussie news service apparently picked it up from Agence France Presse (AFP). Protest is described (including refusal of crowd to disperse) No mention of arrests.Originally posted by Ramo
Oh come on. Just search for "union of the unemployed" and "arrested" on google, and pick the first source you find reliable."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
-
ahhh np Ramo, I just wanted to support your case that US policies are having detrimental effects on freedom and progressive labor movements worldwide...To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
-
another site a dont trust. Quoting the members of this org."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
-
Because mainstream sources don't pick up a story, it didn't happen?Done. Most references were on far left sites. Found sources in presumably mainstream aussie papers - an aussie news service apparently picked it up from Agence France Presse (AFP). Protest is described (including refusal of crowd to disperse) No mention of arrests."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
-
That's right Ramo... it's only true if worldwide media conglomerates report it!
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
-
Yes.Because mainstream sources don't pick up a story, it didn't happen?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
-
I agree. The small time news sources only survive if they keep their tiny market share loyal. How do you keep them loyal? By feeding their bias that's how. That's why most small publications end up being ideological drivel which can't be trusted. There are a few exceptions but not many and certainly not CounterPunch.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
-
I just searched through the NYT archives and couldn't find ANY reference to the Union of the Unemployed (though to its credit, the Post had a couple off-hand references in the past couple months), despite their rapidly increasing popularity and activism. I suppose that neither it, nor its many members exist. It's all just a fabrication of the radical left."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
-
it exists. Their leader may even have been arrested. But its not possible to find out exactly why without seeing it in a news source i trust.Originally posted by Ramo
I just searched through the NYT archives and couldn't find ANY reference to the Union of the Unemployed (though to its credit, the Post had a couple off-hand references in the past couple months), despite their rapidly increasing popularity and activism. I suppose that neither it, nor its many members exist. It's all just a fabrication of the radical left."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
Comment