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    The Mississippi Supreme Court, in a decision criticized by one of its members as an assault on Roe v. Wade, held Thursday that a fetus is a "person" under state law and wrongful death claims can be filed on its behalf.

    The justices upheld a Bolivar County woman's right to pursue a wrongful death claim after she alleged emotional distress and a mistake by her doctors caused her to have a miscarriage. The fetus was 19 weeks old at the time, according to doctors.

    Presiding Justice Chuck McRae, in a written dissent, described the decision as an assault on Roe v. Wade, the landmark ruling that legalized abortion in America.

    McRae said the decision will only create more confusion in the courts. The opinion noted that six other states have a similar wrongful death provision but did not name the states.

    The 6-2 ruling expands the definition of a "person" in wrongful death statutes to include an "unborn child."

    Current law allows people to sue for the wrongful death of a newly born or prematurely born fetus that would have been expected to live.

    Presiding Justice Jim Smith, writing for the court, said Thursday's ruling in the lawsuit brought by Tracy Tucker had nothing to do with abortion. He said doctors performing abortions are still protected by Mississippi law.

    "Tucker and the state share a common interest and goal to preserve the life of a fetus injured by the conduct of another," Smith wrote. "Tucker's interest is to protect and preserve the life of her unborn child, not in the exercise of her right to terminate that life which has been declared constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court."

    What Thursday's decision does, Smith said, is extend the right to file a lawsuit under the wrongful death statute to cover non-viable fetuses.

    The justice explained that courts have applied the term "viable" to a newborn infant, including one prematurely born that is developed sufficiently to continue living.

    Smith noted there is some difficulty in determining the viability and non-viability of a fetus. He said such issues must be settled by a jury.

    Smith also cautioned that a jury must still determine if a cause of action dates from the death of the child and whether the fetus was "quick" in the mother's womb. A "quick" fetus is defined as one "that has developed so that it moves within the mother's womb."

    Pat Cartrette, executive director of Right to Life of Jackson, said the decision "affirms the way the Mississippi law protects an unborn child."

    She said while the decision may not directly affect Roe v. Wade, it gives a fetus some legal protection when it develops reflexes, which in some cases is as early as 8 weeks.

    Sondra Goldschein, state strategies attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union, said she's troubled by the court's definition of a fetus as a "person."

    "Anytime the fetus is recognizable as a person it chips away at the foundation of Roe," she said.

    Goldschein said women should be able to collect damages for the loss of a pregnancy without that definition.

    Tucker sued a credit union, an auto repossession company, a Cleveland doctor and a hospital after she suffered a miscarriage in 1997. She alleged in her lawsuit that the emotional stress of fighting her car's repossession and a misdiagnosis led to the miscarriage.

    Ridgeland attorney Thomas C. Gerity, representing Mississippi Auto Recovery, declined to comment. Other attorneys involved in the litigation could not be reached for comment.

    In 2001, a Bolivar County judge declined to dismiss Tucker's lawsuit and allowed all parties to ask the Supreme Court to decide whether Tucker's wrongful death claim was legal. The parties agreed that the fetus was not viable when the miscarriage occurred.

    The case now goes back to Bolivar County for trial.
    http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0308/22/m01.html
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    Composers: David Howman & Andre Jacquemin
    Authors: Michael Palin & Terry Jones
    From the Movie 'The Meaning of Life'

    DAD:
    There are Jews in the world.
    There are Buddhists.
    There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
    There are those that follow Mohammed, but
    I've never been one of them.
    I'm a Roman Catholic,
    And have been since before I was born,
    And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
    They'll take you as soon as you're warm.
    You don't have to be a six-footer.
    You don't have to have a great brain.
    You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
    A Catholic the moment Dad came,
    Because
    Every sperm is sacred.
    Every sperm is great.
    If a sperm is wasted,
    God gets quite irate.
    CHILDREN:
    Every sperm is sacred.
    Every sperm is great.
    If a sperm is wasted,
    God gets quite irate.
    GIRL:
    Let the heathen spill theirs
    On the dusty ground.
    God shall make them pay for
    Each sperm that can't be found.
    CHILDREN:
    Every sperm is wanted.
    Every sperm is good.
    Every sperm is needed
    In your neighbourhood.
    MUM:
    Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
    Spill theirs just anywhere,
    But God loves those who treat their
    Semen with more care.
    MEN:
    Every sperm is sacred.
    Every sperm is great.
    WOMEN:
    If a sperm is wasted,...
    CHILDREN:
    ...God get quite irate.
    PRIEST:
    Every sperm is sacred.
    BRIDE and GROOM:
    Every sperm is good.
    NANNIES:
    Every sperm is needed...
    CARDINALS:
    ...In your neighbourhood!
    CHILDREN:
    Every sperm is useful.
    Every sperm is fine.
    FUNERAL CORTEGE:
    God needs everybody's.
    MOURNER #1:
    Mine!
    MOURNER #2:
    And mine!
    CORPSE:
    And mine!
    NUN:
    Let the Pagan spill theirs
    O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
    HOLY STATUES:
    God shall strike them down for
    Each sperm that's spilt in vain.
    EVERYONE:
    Every sperm is sacred.
    Every sperm is good.
    Every sperm is needed
    In your neighbourhood.
    Every sperm is sacred.
    Every sperm is great.
    If a sperm is wasted,
    God gets quite iraaaaaate!

    Embryonic News

    Zygote votes for Schwarzenegger, but seminal fluid is supporting Davis!

    Miscarriage joins army, says 'Life didn't start out so good, but know I'm hoping to make something of myself.'

    Placenta divorces foetus- 'We were just drifting apart. We had nothing in common any more.'
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    ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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    • #3
      that tucker case is weird... she's sueing a repo company for stressing her out so much that she had a miscarriage? thats strange as i dont know what...

      but hey you kill a pregnant woman and you rightfully are convicted for double homicide (I hope this is in every state) so wrongful death fits too probably
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      • #4
        If a fetus is a person for murder or the like but not for abortion it is like a slave being 3/5 of a man.

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        • #5
          TCO:

          nah i think the logic of a fetus being a person for a murder is that the woman wanted the baby to live... if we assume that the woman's right to choose the fate of her unborn child is superior to the unborn child's live (which it is according to the law, unfortunately)... the murdered woman's right to having her child be born was lost through the murder... trying someone for murdering a fetus in such a manner has little to do with the pro-life/pro-choice debate...
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          "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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          • #6
            Just wait till this gets to a real court.
            http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Albert Speer
              TCO:

              nah i think the logic of a fetus being a person for a murder is that the woman wanted the baby to live... if we assume that the woman's right to choose the fate of her unborn child is superior to the unborn child's live (which it is according to the law, unfortunately)... the murdered woman's right to having her child be born was lost through the murder... trying someone for murdering a fetus in such a manner has little to do with the pro-life/pro-choice debate...
              Sounds like "it being ok for a master to kill a slave but not others".

              If the fetus is part of the woman's body, than killing the fetus is battery, not murder.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by monkspider
                Just wait till this gets to a real court.
                You should be happy then. It says it the end of the article the case is going to Bolivar County for trial.
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                • #9
                  /me goes off to kill a few billion sperm
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                  • #10
                    GP:

                    Sounds like "it being ok for a master to kill a slave but not others".
                    thats exactly what it is...
                    "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                    "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                    • #11
                      No big surprise. A fetus IS a person.
                      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                      • #12
                        and i am bothered by the fact that monkspider, who supposedly is a christian, is in favour of abortion...
                        "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                        • #13
                          I'm not saying that I am anti- abortion. I just think it is hard to really convict a person of the evil crime of murder when he didn't kill a real person. It's sorta like killing a pet dog or so...

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                          • #14
                            Oh...and infanticide to age 2 should be allowed as well.

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                            • #15
                              GP:

                              when i was younger, i thought infanticide to age 2 or so wasnt that bad either because i figured the baby had no real attachment to anything in this world, etc. but no... thats just a jackass belief...
                              "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                              "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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