Raped by the system

[blackice]

Jamie Nelson spent three years in prison for a crime he did not commit. Following his arrest in April, 1996, the life of the now 34-year-old man was reduced to tatters. His youngest son was put up for adoption, he lost his business and, in despair, attempted suicide inside his jail cell. This week, the Ontario Court of Appeal acquitted Mr. Nelson of rape, assault, forcible confinement and uttering death threats. Amazingly, he was convicted based on nothing more than the word of Cathie Fordham, his accuser. No physical evidence supported her story. Nor did any witnesses confirm it. Rather, as National Post columnist Christie Blatchford has reported: "This was a classic he said-she said case. The tie went to the woman, as so often it does."

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One has to wonder how many more men are in jail today, wrongly... 60% could it be that high a number. If so the system has to change the way it views men as evil and women as victims...

Even if it is not that high the social engineered stereotyping has to change.

[Verto]

60% ? I don't know about that, but certainly there are many who are wrongly accused.

[monolith94]

"how many more men are in jail today, wrongly... 60% could it be that high a number."

No it couldn't.

[Traianvs]

Yo man, you're absolutely right, but even if you count out all those wrongfully convicted men, you'll still have waaay too much people in your prisons...

I've seen reports and documentaries on tv in which I was explained the 3 strike rule (that's what I think it was called).. If you do something wrong 3 times, you could go to jail for like 25 years or more; quite absurd really!


I have heard the situation in Canada is slightly better than in the US though.. People ought to take Finland's example for their prison policy; instead of a primitive harsh system based on nothing more than revenge, what has to be one of the most filthiest, weakest things in life

[asleepathewheel]

Re: Raped by the system

Originally posted by blackice
60% could it be that high a number.

No.

I imagine there are some in prison wrongfully, but to say that 60% of convicted rapists are innocent is a bit high. But are you saying that 60% when there is no evidence of rape, nothing outside the words of the two parties? Still a bit too high. If I were a prosecutor, I would try desperately to come up with something of evidential value.

[Dis]

women are the one's that are evil.

A comedian once said that men lie the most- but they are small lies- like I was at my friends house when they weren't.

But women life less often, but the lies are the biggest. Like lying about a man being the father of their baby.

Or in this case about being raped. I don't know how they can live with themselves ruining people's lives like that.

Although you could make the argument that men deserve it because of the way they treat women.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Trajanus
Yo man, you're absolutely right, but even if you count out all those wrongfully convicted men, you'll still have waaay too much people in your prisons...

I've seen reports and documentaries on tv in which I was explained the 3 strike rule (that's what I think it was called).. If you do something wrong 3 times, you could go to jail for like 25 years or more; quite absurd really!


I have heard the situation in Canada is slightly better than in the US though.. People ought to take Finland's example for their prison policy; instead of a primitive harsh system based on nothing more than revenge, what has to be one of the most filthiest, weakest things in life

why is that absurd? How do you think the U.S. crime rate has gotten as low as it has? Because everyone is in jail! These people never reform, they keep committing crimes over and over. I support the 3 strikes rule for violent crime (non drug related)

[Traianvs]

why is that absurd? How do you think the U.S. crime rate has gotten as low as it has? Because everyone is in jail! These people never reform, they keep committing crimes over and over. I support the 3 strikes rule for violent crime (non drug related)

Maybe you aren't aware that around 2 million Americans are actually in jail; that's mind bogglingly high
Last thing I heard was that America had about 2 million military personnel? (I coul dbe wrong though but if it's true, you guys have as much military as you got prisoners )


The thing is that there is no indication whatsoever that dealing with crime in a harsh way decreases crime levels; That's what criminologists or people who study this problem all over the world think, I'm not making this up.. On the contrary it's possible that crime could go worse...


Imagine you going to jail because you used some drugs, having fun with your friends etc... Jail is not a pretty place to be and if you get out, you'll be more likely to be a crook because of the mentality of the real badass criminals that are kept in those prisons.. A harsh prison doesn't help your view on society, on the contrary, you'll have a worse picture of how society runs... you don't know how to take care of yourself in real life you know what I'm saying? they don't know what it means to have a normal life..

What are you gonna do with those people who are freed after 25 years... they won't know how to behave, how to take care of themselves etc you expect them to just roll in society like normal people after being so long in prison??

[Dis]

People are in prison because they broke the law. They belong there (except for the drug offenders- we need to cancel the war on drugs imho)

We have a higher % than other countries because our country is a beacon for criminals and criminal behaviour. It is glamourized in every single movie made and most tv shows.

and harsh punishment may not decrease the need to commit crimes. But if the guy is in jail, he cannot commit other crimes against people

What do do after 25 years? Well it was my belief the 3 strikes law puts them away for life. You don't let repeat violent criminals out and they won't commit more crimes. It's just that easy.

[:) Smiley]

But the US crime rate is still very high compared to other nations. Why? Because a load of the ppo in the big house are there for doing drugs. Legalize it, and you'll have an instant plunge in the crime rate nationwide. You also won't have all the drug-related violent crime, such as drug dealer turf wars, people robbing people so they can buy drugs, people like Albert Speer getting jumped for weed, etc.

About the "his word vs. her word" stuff... If a rape happens there is physical evidence. Problem is, that often the evidence is destroyed by the victim before the authorities are contacted. There needs be more education on this matter.

Third note, What is the punishment for falsifying such a charge?

[Dis]

well I support legalizationk, but I'm not in charge of making the laws for some reason. I'd legalize regulated prostitution as well in other states.

But others do not see my wisdom

[blackice]

asleepathewheel,monolith94 [no]

Are you sure? How do we know? DNA FBI files show one out of four are false.

http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles/dnaevid.txt

On top of that DNA testing labs do not always get it right.

http://www.law-forensic.com/cfr_crime_labs.htm

Eugene Kanin is a professor of sociology at Purdue University. Kanin tracked all allegations of rapes reported to the police over a 9-year period in one Midwestern town. In 41% of the cases, the woman later admitted that the rape allegation was false.

http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html

Some of these studies are old and some new laws especially on the domestic side may have pushed these numbers up by quite a bit.

I think it could be as high as 60% or close to that number especially with laws such as "Shout at your spouse and lose your house" as we have here and similar in ones in the US.
So much to gain so little to lose. I mean the lady gets house arrest for ruining someone life? Others get the house the kids, no I think it could be as high as 60%

Although you could make the argument that men deserve it because of the way they treat women.

I would have to say you are on your own with this statement. I for one treat women like people and with the same respect as anyone else.

[Traianvs]

you're pretty strange; you're for the 3 strike law but you wan't to legalize prostituion and drugs as well!! frikking weird

you're right that if the guy is in jail that he cannot commit other crimes; but at the same time, a prisoner costs about $50 000 a year to keep him fed, washed, and guarded.. Think of what you can do with all that money...

Also those people that are in jail now, could be helpful otherwise... if you can educate him and get the guy on his feet again, he might be able to get back in the 'system' which is better economically

the biggest problem is mentality; there are some hard cases that are really hardcore, but most of them are no real criminals; they just did foolish things in their youth because they had little opportunities and they got involved with the few hardcore criminals; all there is to it is trying to change the mentality, which isn't easy of course, but it takes time to see the results; that's what you don't see, it takes time, you guys always want to live for the next quarter (all that matters for a company is will the company get good results in the next quarter)... that's a bad attitude imo

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Trajanus
Yo man, you're absolutely right, but even if you count out all those wrongfully convicted men, you'll still have waaay too much people in your prisons...

I've seen reports and documentaries on tv in which I was explained the 3 strike rule (that's what I think it was called).. If you do something wrong 3 times, you could go to jail for like 25 years or more; quite absurd really!


I have heard the situation in Canada is slightly better than in the US though.. People ought to take Finland's example for their prison policy; instead of a primitive harsh system based on nothing more than revenge, what has to be one of the most filthiest, weakest things in life

I fully support locking career criminals away. our biggest problem is not enuff prisons. not too many prisoners. we foster more crime when we keep having to let repeat offenders back out. if ur a habitual criminal my sympathy left a long time ago.

[Dinner]

Rather, as National Post columnist Christie Blatchford has reported: "This was a classic he said-she said case. The tie went to the woman, as so often it does."

The sad thing is the she-b!tch, man hating, femi-nazis have moved to make all cases where a woman accusses a man without evidience to automatically mean the man must prove he is innocent.